Strange. ebXML MS is based on SOAP. Those two complement to each other. It's just a higher transport than SOAP compare to SOAP over HTTP, SMTP, or whatever. Why fight?
Pae > <flame> > This is a political issue between Microsoft and Sun. Just because senior > management at these companies act like little boys in a school yard, it > doesn't mean that WS-I is just some Microsoft puppet organization. > > There are plenty of other serious Java players that have board seats at > WS-I. To wit: BEA, IBM, and Oracle. (also Fujitsu and HP) Microsoft only has > one seat on a board of 9 (soon to be 11). > > I think it was a serious mistake on the part of WS-I not to invite Sun to be > on the board. It certainly has had a significant impact on the group's > credibility. But I can understand the reluctance of some of the players (not > just Microsoft) to invite them to play. Sun was very slow to get involved > with Web services. For a very long time Sun was trying to undermine the > entire SOAP/WSDL/UDDI infrastructure in favor of ebXML. (I know. I was at > Sun at the time fighting in favor of SOAP.) Sun was being less than > constructive in the standards efforts. Would you invite someone to be on > your board if you had doubts about their good intentions? > > Almost all major web services contributions have been joint efforts by > Microsoft and IBM. Once the specs have been published, the two of them > invite others to join the work. I don't see a whole lot of Microsoft hoop > jumping going on. I see constructive joint effort. Sun is as welcome to join > the effort as anyone else. I was very pleased to see them join WS-I. They > certainly didn't win any points by standing in a corner and pouting because > they weren't picked first. > </flame> > > Anne > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:59 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Document style web services > > > > > > > > It may be old news, but its still true. Some of us are getting tired of > > being made to jump through hoops to accommodate Microsoft. > > > > > > > > > > "Anne Thomas > > > > Manes" To: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: > > > > t> Subject: RE: > > Document style web services > > > > > > 11/21/2002 > > > > 05:01 PM > > > > Please respond > > > > to axis-user > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's old news. > > > > Sun is now a member of WS-I. WS-I has added two new seats to the > > board, and > > there will be a vote in March to elect the new board members. Let's hope > > that Sun gets elected. > > http://www.aspnews.com/news/article/0,,4191_1488041,00.html > > > > Anne > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dennis Sosnoski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 6:41 PM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: Document style web services > > > > > > > > > Anne Thomas Manes wrote: > > > > > > >WS-I has just published its Basic Profile > > > >draft, which only supports document-style. Pretty much every > > > SOAP vendor is > > > >involved with WS-I, so it won't be long before all SOAP implementations > > > >generate document style by default. > > > > > > > I think WS-I has serious credibility problems, especially since it came > > > out that Microsoft's participation was conditional on Sun being excluded > > > from a major role in the organization. To quote from a Bill Gates memo > > > in reference to WS-I which was made public during the antitrust trial > > > (as reported in http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t288-s2110205,00.html, > > > for one source): "I can live with this if we have the positioning > > > clearly in our favour. In particular, Sun not being one of the > > > movers/announcers/founding members." I'm sure that, as a participant in > > > WS-I, you're familiar with these issues, Anne. This credibility problem > > > is certainly going to influence how WS-I proposals are treated by the > > > industry. > > > > > > If Sun becomes a full coequal participant in the WS-I organization it'll > > > go a long way toward establishing WS-I as a bona fide forum for > > > supporting interoperability. Given Sun's ownership of Java and control > > > over Java standards it's hard to take an organization that excludes Sun > > > seriously on these issues. > > > > > > - Dennis > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
