Mike B, Women are more likely than men to change their religious middle name. They marry under one (that perhaps they have had since confirmation) and after going through their first pregnancy, they become devoted the Virgin Mary of the Conception (Conceição) and begin using that. Also, the women were not present at the baptism. They were typically home on bed rest, as was customary for the day. The father and the godparents went to baptize the baby. So when they ask for the mother's name, they know her as Delphina, but take a guess as to the religious component. As you collect all the kids of the couple, you'll start to realize that they are guessing at mom's middle name. I poke fun at it saying "Too much vinho."
The marriage you attached is in the 2nd time period. These records don't include the detailed information of the 3rd time period (once in a while, you will find the detailed one, but that is not the norm. And this marriage is normal for the time period). So no ages for the bride and groom. If you have collected all the kids for this couple and you know where your ancestor fits in the family, then you can take the birth of kid 1 (pretend it was Jan. 1, 1818) and subtract 18 years and start looking for their births in 1800 on back. The bride could have been 25 and the groom could have been 30. You just don't know. You just go back in time. It's how we all did it. I don't know if that freguesia has any indices. I believe I posted the link to Tombo.pt for you to check in another email. Here's what to expect for the 3 time periods. I arranged it by event (baptism, marriage, death). You can copy and paste it into a Word type editor and arrange it by time period if you prefer. Then you can print it out and have it handy until you get used to them: https://goo.gl/ie5McX Happy Hunting, Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 2:06 PM Mike B <botil...@gmail.com> wrote: > That is interesting how Delphinas name is different here compared to being > Do Espirito Santo prior. > > Can anyone help me pull some age ranges out of this marriage record if > they exist within it? Im trying to narrow down a search period for the > Baptisms of the two married within it and having a real hard time finding > them. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1828-1839/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1828-1839_item1/P77.html > > Thank you > > On Sunday, January 6, 2019 at 9:45:40 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> The further you go back in time, the more abbrevations you see. They are >> not supposed to abbreviate in the 2nd time period, but you may see some >> abbreviations here or there. The first line names her as Claudina do Esp^o >> (or may be Es^o) S^to (the ^ means the next letters are raised). >> >> Yes, Claudina do Espirito Santo filha (daughter) de Jose da Costa >> Cyprianno (today Ciprano) ede (should be "e de" for "and of") Tereza >> deJesus (he ran de Jesus together). OK, I thought it was weird in the first >> document that your guy was Jose Cipriano. Cipriano is a first name and I >> figured there was a missing name that the priest dropped off. And now it >> appears. My best guess (and you'll figure this out as you collect more >> relatives) - Your Jose da Costa was tired of being confused with his uncle, >> Jose da Costa, his cousin, Jose da Costa, his other cousin, Jose da Costa, >> and his nephew, Jose da Costa. Not to mention the 3 other Costa families in >> that church, all of whom have someone name Jose da Costa. So he tacked on >> Ciprano from his relative. You'll figure it out as you go back it time if >> it was his dad, his grandfather or some other relative. Cipriano is less >> common, so it would be a good identifier. Better than being called >> Grasshopper, Shorty, Lefty, or For Example (yes, those are all literal >> translations of names people have tacked on). >> >> Delfina is Delfina da Conceição now. (Wasn't she Delfina do Espirito >> Santo before?) They wrote it with the old spelling of Conceicam instead. >> This is where you'll have to see how Delfina married, and how she appears >> on each of her kids' baptism (she wasn't present) and go with the "majority >> rules" rule. >> >> You should find about 6-8 kids before your Manuel's birth. He seems like >> he may be a kid born towards the end. He was either the first Manuel or the >> first one that lived to adulthood. Or maybe they had a lot of girls. >> >> The date is 19 Mar 1832. The bride and groom were baptized in that church >> and spent the last 3 Lents there. Or fulfilled their Lenten duties there, I >> should say. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 6, 2019 at 9:16 PM Mike B <boti...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I believe I found the marriage record for Manoel Botelho birthdate >>> unknown and his wife Claudina do Espírito Santo. >>> >>> Her name in the first line doesn’t really look like it says Espírito >>> Santo, but if you look further down at 6 from the bottom it clearly says >>> Claudina Do Espírito Santo filla? Jose do ..something.. Ceppriano Ed’s >>> Thereza de Jezus. >>> >>> Seven from bottom shows Manoel Botelho follows Jose Botelho and Delfina. >>> >>> Seems to make sense? Was literally about to give up and start searching >>> nearby churches but it popped up, over a decade prior to having Manoel >>> Botelho 1849. >>> >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1828-1839/SMG-RG-ESTRELA-C-1828-1839_item1/P77.html >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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