On 10/27/05, Susan Maneck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I didn't argue that point 'tooth and nail.'
> Not just you but other people in here as well."
> Gilberto, you are a assuming there is a single position being argued here in
> opposition to your own.
No I realize that there are differences but there are also broad similiarities.
> I tend to take each point by itself, whether it comes from you
> or anyone else. That drives some folks crazy, including yourself I suspect.
It just often comes off as nit-picky and not very productive and tends
to encourage one-up-manship. It also removes statements from the
context of an entire discussion. It just seems like a rhetorical
trick. Like if you can't give a convincing counter-argument for a
certain claim, and you don't want to concede, you can pick at some
unrelated point.
Gilberto:
> "I don't believe wholesale, indiscriminate, total genocide of an entire
> ethnic group is a just matter of taste."
Susan:
> > No, I'm not. I understand all the possible explanations just as I can
> > understand the possible explanations for eliminating the Canaanites.
> Then you should just give them."
Susan:
> I'm not that interested in them. I have no real interest in judging the
> people by the past based on my present day standards.
I'm not saying judge them by present day standards. You said you had
"possible explanations". I didn't put any limits on what kind of
explanations.
[on Muhammad and Milosevic]
Gilberto:
> "You accused both of genocide."
Susan:
> By today's standards both incidents would constitute genocide. But as I
> indicated, I don't judge Muhammad by today's standards, however much you
> might think I should.
You give the impression of being deliberately difficult. I"m not
saying "today's standards" I'm talking about basic moral
considerations. If I have the basic principles that saving human lives
is a good thing and that people have a right to defend themselves when
threated to protect themselves from being killed. That's enough to
explain what was done to Banu Qurayzah. Just read Karen Armstrong's
explanation. The modern examples just don't live up to that criteria.
-Gilberto
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