The Baha'i Studies Listserv > IT SEEMS THAT YR WORDS ARE FULL OF ANGER TOWARD THE IRAN STATE AND THE > BAHAIS LIKE ME WHO TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE WAY TO GET OUT OF THE CURRENT > CRISIS,ACCORDING TO THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF FAITH.
Dear Shahram, Are you trying to tell us you are a Baha'i? Do you believe that Baha'u'llah is the Manifestation of God for this Age? My anger is not towards the Iranian State it is towards anyone who tries to justify genocide. > -I KNOW THAT THE LIMITATION OF TEACHING BAHAI TO THE ISRAEALITES AND IN > ISRAEL WAS HELD AFTER THE MEETING BETWEEN THE REPRESENTATIVES OF > THE GUARDIAN AND THE NEW STATE OF ISRAEL.DO U WANT TO IGNORE IT? I've not seen any evidence of this. If you have some, please feel free to post it here. As I indicated the decision not to teach the Faith in Palestine was made by Baha'u'llah, not Shoghi Effendi and proceeds the establishment of the State of Israel. > ACCORDING TO IRAN CONSTITUTION PEOPLE ARE FREE TO HAVE ANY RELIGION. > BUT THEY ARE NOT FREE TO DISCUSS ABOUT THEIR RELIGIONS Then how about telling us which Baha'i community you belong to since if what you say is true, you needn't worry that this will put you in any danger. But I would like to see specifically where Iranian law prohibits people from discussing their religion. I know this is what Hojjatol-Islam Dur-Najafabadi is saying but I would like to see the actual law which says people are not free to discuss their religion. As Abolhassan Banisadr, Iran's first president, says, "When having any belief is free, how can expressing it be prohibited by law?" SPECIALLY IN > UNIVERSITIES,SCHOOLS,GOVERNMENTAL/PUBLIC PLACES,AS IT WILL CAUSE > DISORDER IN THE DAILY AFFAIRS First off, Baha'is are not even allowed to *attend* universities in Iran, whether they discuss their religion there or not. Not only that, but they are prohibited from holding government jobs, so how does this even come up? .IN MANY MANY CASES WHEN THE CONSTITUTION > TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS,IT CONTINUES THAT DETAILS WILL APPEAR IN > COMING RULES AND LAWS. Again, it would help if you would quote what your constitution says directly here. But are you saying that subsequent laws can abrogate the Constitution itself? In any case, if subsequent laws have been made, please provide them. All I have seen are decrees issued by the 'ulama, not laws made by the state. Or are you saying that any 'alim can overturn the laws? > > -THE NATIONAL MEMORY OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE-WE ACCEPT IT OR NOT-- REMINDS > BABI AND BAHAI MOVEMENTS WITH BLOODSHED,TERROR,ARSON, > TREACHEROUS ACTS,ETC.MOST OF THEM CAN NOT TOLERATE BAHAIS, If you are really a Baha'i yourself as you have stated, you would know that Baha'is have committed *no* acts of bloodshed, terrorism, arson, etc. within Iran. Yes, there were some Babis who shared the same attitude towards jihad as Muslims have, but Baha'u'llah prohibited this entirely. I think the real reason that most Iranians cannot accept Baha'is is because the 'ulama have spread so many false stories about us, that now even those Iranians who are not particularly religious believe them. I discuss these at my website here: http://bahai-islam.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html > -THE JUDICIAL POWER OF IRAN ONCE IN 1983 PROHIBITED ANY ORGANISATIONAL > AND TEACHING ACTIVITIES OF THE BAHAIS.IT WAS VERY CLEAR.AFTER A WHILE STOP There was a decree issued in 1983 that indicated that Baha'is were free to practice their religion so long as we didn't have an organization. The result was we disbanded the National Spiritual Assembly. But the persecution did not stop. Baha'is were still barred from attending universities, their pensions were expropriated and their property confiscated. BUT WHEN THEY TREE TO ENTER SOME ACTS WHICH ARE POLITICAL > AND IN LINE WITH THE OPPOSING COUNTRIES OF IRAN,THEY ARE PRESSED BY IRAN Except Baha'is have no involvement in politics whatsoever. If you were a Baha'i you would surely know this. Nor are we allied with any other national government. Besides, Iran is not at war with anyone right now. Israel and the US are doing a lot of saber-rattling about the nuclear power plant, but Baha'is have expressed no opinion on this issue whatsoever. > WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE BAHAIS KILLED BY IRAN REV STATE,WERE CORRUPTED[LIKE > MANY MUSLIM ONES] .BUT THE UHJ ,IN ACCORDANCE TO A PLAN,ATTACKED THE IRAN > GOVERNMENT IN THOSE YEARS. Are you seriously trying to tell us that those teenaged girls who were hung in Shiraz for teaching children's classes were corrupt? How so? Or are you talking about the man who was stoned recently by the government who apparently came from a Baha'i family. Because the Universal House of Justice has said nothing about this latter case because we don't consider him a Baha'i. It seems strange that he could be found guilty of incest as the newspaper reported however, given the fact that for the last several years he had been imprisoned on drug charges. Do they allow daughters to get that close to prisoners in Iran? warmest, Susan __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-418600-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
