From: Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: illegality of Bahai organizational activities in Iran
To: shahramroh...@yahoo.com
Cc: "Baha'i Studies" <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu>
Date: Sunday, February 22, 2009, 5:52 PM
IT SEEMS THAT YR WORDS ARE FULL OF ANGER TOWARD THE
IRAN STATE AND THE
BAHAIS LIKE ME WHO TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE WAY TO GET OUT
OF THE CURRENT
CRISIS,ACCORDING TO THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF FAITH.
Dear Shahram,
Are you trying to tell us you are a Baha'i? Do you
believe that
Baha'u'llah is the Manifestation of God for this
Age?
My anger is not towards the Iranian State it is towards
anyone who
tries to justify genocide.
-I KNOW THAT THE LIMITATION OF TEACHING BAHAI TO THE
ISRAEALITES AND IN
ISRAEL WAS HELD AFTER THE MEETING BETWEEN THE
REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE GUARDIAN AND THE NEW STATE OF ISRAEL.DO U WANT TO
IGNORE IT?
I've not seen any evidence of this. If you have some,
please feel free
to post it here. As I indicated the decision not to teach
the Faith in
Palestine was made by Baha'u'llah, not Shoghi
Effendi and proceeds the
establishment of the State of Israel.
ACCORDING TO IRAN CONSTITUTION PEOPLE ARE FREE TO HAVE
ANY RELIGION.
BUT THEY ARE NOT FREE TO DISCUSS ABOUT THEIR RELIGIONS
Then how about telling us which Baha'i community you
belong to since
if what you say is true, you needn't worry that this
will put you in
any danger.
But I would like to see specifically where Iranian law
prohibits
people from discussing their religion. I know this is what
Hojjatol-Islam Dur-Najafabadi is saying but I would like to
see the
actual law which says people are not free to discuss their
religion.
As Abolhassan Banisadr, Iran's first president, says,
"When having any
belief is free, how can expressing it be prohibited by
law?"
SPECIALLY IN
UNIVERSITIES,SCHOOLS,GOVERNMENTAL/PUBLIC PLACES,AS IT
WILL CAUSE
DISORDER IN THE DAILY AFFAIRS
First off, Baha'is are not even allowed to *attend*
universities in
Iran, whether they discuss their religion there or not. Not
only that,
but they are prohibited from holding government jobs, so
how does this
even come up?
.IN MANY MANY CASES WHEN THE CONSTITUTION
TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS,IT CONTINUES THAT
DETAILS WILL APPEAR IN
COMING RULES AND LAWS.
Again, it would help if you would quote what your
constitution says
directly here. But are you saying that subsequent laws can
abrogate
the Constitution itself? In any case, if subsequent laws
have been
made, please provide them. All I have seen are decrees
issued by the
'ulama, not laws made by the state. Or are you saying
that any 'alim
can overturn the laws?
-THE NATIONAL MEMORY OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE-WE ACCEPT
IT OR NOT-- REMINDS
BABI AND BAHAI MOVEMENTS WITH BLOODSHED,TERROR,ARSON,
TREACHEROUS ACTS,ETC.MOST OF THEM CAN NOT TOLERATE
BAHAIS,
If you are really a Baha'i yourself as you have stated,
you would know
that Baha'is have committed *no* acts of bloodshed,
terrorism, arson,
etc. within Iran. Yes, there were some Babis who shared the
same
attitude towards jihad as Muslims have, but
Baha'u'llah prohibited
this entirely.
I think the real reason that most Iranians cannot accept
Baha'is is
because the 'ulama have spread so many false stories
about us, that
now even those Iranians who are not particularly religious
believe
them. I discuss these at my website here:
http://bahai-islam.blogspot.com/2009_01_01_archive.html
-THE JUDICIAL POWER OF IRAN ONCE IN 1983 PROHIBITED
ANY ORGANISATIONAL
AND TEACHING ACTIVITIES OF THE BAHAIS.IT WAS VERY
CLEAR.AFTER A WHILE STOP
There was a decree issued in 1983 that indicated that
Baha'is were
free to practice their religion so long as we didn't
have an
organization. The result was we disbanded the National
Spiritual
Assembly. But the persecution did not stop. Baha'is
were still barred
from attending universities, their pensions were
expropriated and
their property confiscated.
BUT WHEN THEY TREE TO ENTER SOME ACTS WHICH ARE POLITICAL
AND IN LINE WITH THE OPPOSING COUNTRIES OF IRAN,THEY
ARE PRESSED BY IRAN
Except Baha'is have no involvement in politics
whatsoever. If you were
a Baha'i you would surely know this. Nor are we allied
with any other
national government. Besides, Iran is not at war with
anyone right
now. Israel and the US are doing a lot of saber-rattling
about the
nuclear power plant, but Baha'is have expressed no
opinion on this
issue whatsoever.
WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE BAHAIS KILLED BY IRAN REV
STATE,WERE CORRUPTED[LIKE
MANY MUSLIM ONES]
.BUT THE UHJ ,IN ACCORDANCE TO A PLAN,ATTACKED THE IRAN
GOVERNMENT IN THOSE YEARS.
Are you seriously trying to tell us that those teenaged
girls who were
hung in Shiraz for teaching children's classes were
corrupt? How so?
Or are you talking about the man who was stoned recently by
the
government who apparently came from a Baha'i family.
Because the
Universal House of Justice has said nothing about this
latter case
because we don't consider him a Baha'i. It seems
strange that he
could be found guilty of incest as the newspaper reported
however,
given the fact that for the last several years he had been
imprisoned
on drug charges. Do they allow daughters to get that close
to
prisoners in Iran?
warmest, Susan
