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DEAR DR.S.MANECK,
IT SEEMS THAT YR WORDS ARE FULL OF ANGER TOWARD THE IRAN STATE
AND THE BAHAIS LIKE ME WHO TRY TO FIND A MIDDLE WAY TO GET OUT OF THE CURRENT
CRISIS,ACCORDING TO THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF FAITH.
-I KNOW THAT THE LIMITATION OF TEACHING BAHAI TO THE
ISRAEALITES AND IN ISRAEL WAS HELD AFTER THE MEETING BETWEEN THE
REPRESENTATIVES OF
THE GUARDIAN AND THE NEW STATE OF ISRAEL.DO U WANT TO IGNORE IT?
ACCORDING TO IRAN CONSTITUTION PEOPLE ARE FREE TO HAVE ANY
RELIGION.
BUT THEY ARE NOT FREE TO DISCUSS ABOUT THEIR
RELIGIONS,SPECIALLY IN
UNIVERSITIES,SCHOOLS,GOVERNMENTAL/PUBLIC PLACES,AS IT WILL CAUSE
DISORDER IN THE DAILY AFFAIRS.IN MANY MANY CASES WHEN THE
CONSTITUTION
TALKS ABOUT THE RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS,IT CONTINUES THAT DETAILS
WILL APPEAR IN COMING RULES AND LAWS.
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-THE NATIONAL MEMORY OF THE IRANIAN PEOPLE-WE ACCEPT IT OR
NOT-- REMINDS BABI AND BAHAI MOVEMENTS WITH BLOODSHED,TERROR,ARSON,
TREACHEROUS ACTS,ETC.MOST OF THEM CAN NOT TOLERATE BAHAIS,EVEN
WHEN THEY COME BACK UNDER THE MASK OF HUMAN RIGHTS,ETC.
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Who perpetrated the bloodshed. terror, arson, treacherous acts,
etc?
And who continues to do so?
What do you mean by "mask" of human rights?
As someone has said, it would be infinitely better for the
government of Iran to make mandatory the deportation of all Baha'is from Iran,
than to rob them of their life savings, their livelihood and their very lives.
- IN IRAN,LIKE MANY OTHER COUNTRIES,THERE ARE SEPARATION OF
POWERS.
IN ADDITION TO PARLIAMENT[LEGISLATIVE POWER],THE CABINET,AND
MINISTERIES
IN THEIR RELATED FIELDS[ EXECUTIVE POWER],SUPREME COUNCILS, THE
HEAD OF JUDICIAL SYSTEM,THE GENERAL ATTORNEY,EVEN EVERY JUDGE CAN MAKE
ORDER TO ENFORCE A LAW,OR STOP ENFORCEMENT OF A LAW, ENFORCE
A
PRACTICE,OR LIMIT ITS APPLICATION,.....
-THE JUDICIAL POWER OF IRAN ONCE IN 1983 PROHIBITED ANY
ORGANISATIONAL
AND TEACHING ACTIVITIES OF THE BAHAIS.IT WAS VERY CLEAR.AFTER A
WHILE STOP THEY BEGAN THEIR ACTIVITIES IN OTHER NAMES.AS LONG AS THEY WERE
CONCERNED ABT THE PERSONAL AND CIVIL ACTIVITIES OF THE
BAHAIS,THEY WERE FREE.BUT WHEN THEY TREE TO ENTER SOME ACTS WHICH ARE POLITICAL
AND IN LINE WITH THE OPPOSING COUNTRIES OF IRAN,THEY ARE
PRESSED BY IRAN GOVERNMENT.ALL THE IRANIAN BAHAIS,INSIDE OR ABROAD,KNOW THE
MARGINS.THE BAHAIS WHO ARE NOT ACTIVE AGAINST THE IRAN
GOVERNMENT
HV PASSPORTS.THEY CAN GO OUT AND COME BACK.
WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THE BAHAIS KILLED BY IRAN REV STATE,WERE
CORRUPTED[LIKE MANY MUSLIM ONES] .BUT THE UHJ ,IN ACCORDANCE TO A PLAN,ATTACKED
THE IRAN GOVERNMENT IN THOSE YEARS.
NOW IT SEES THAT THEY WANT NEW FOOD FOR THEIR ADS.BUT I AM SURE
THAT IF BAHAULLAH, ABDULBAHA,OR SHOGHI WERE THERE,THEY WUD HV MADE A BETTER
,PEACEFUL DECISION.
WE ARE INTERESTED IN PEACE,LOVE,UNITY.WE PRAY FOR THAT.WE HATE
BLOODSHED.
WARMEST/SHAHRAM ROHANI
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com>
Subject: Fwd: illegality of Bahai organizational activities
in Iran
To: shahramroh...@yahoo.com
Date: Saturday, February 21, 2009, 7:11 PM
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: illegality of Bahai organizational activities in
Iran
To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu>
The Baha'i Studies Listserv
>> DEAR FRIENDS, HI
>> ATTORNEY GENERAL OF IRAN ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ALL THE
>> ORGANIZATIONAL ACTIVITIES OF THE HAIFAN BAHAI COMMUNITY OF
>> IRAN,
If they want Baha'i activities to cease, that's what they
should say.
There is no *Haifan* Baha'i community in Iran.
IN DIFFERENT LEVELS,BOTH ADMINISTRATIVE AND TEACHING
>> ACTIVITIES,ARE HARMFUL AND DESTRUCTIVE TO THE SOCIAL ORDER
>> AND NATIONAL SECURITY OF IRAN;
How are Baha'i activities destructive to the social order and
national
security of Iran?
>> THIS IS MORE OR LESS LIKE A PART OF LIMITATIONS PUT ON THE
>> BAHAIS IN ISRAEL.
There are no limitations on the Baha'is in Israel. It is the
Baha'i
community not the Israeli government which made the decision
not to
teach there.
If the Iranian law decrees that the Baha'i Faith cannot be
taught in
Iran, Baha'is will not do so, but to my knowledge there is no
such
laws on the books. Or are you saying that the Attorney
General himself
is empowered to make such laws? Because as far as I recall
the Iranian
constitutions guarantees religious freedom. Are you saying
that it
doesn't?
>> THINK THEY WILL FOLLOW THIS RULE OR NO?
Show us the law itself, not a statement from your Attorney
General.
>> DO YOU THINK THAT THE IRANIAN BAHAIS SHOULD OBEY THE RULES
>> OF THE IRANIAN STATE,AS TAUGHT BY THE FAITH?
Baha'is should obey the *laws* of the government where they
reside,
not some rule which some government official whose not
empowered to
legislate just comes up with arbitrarily.
But since we are discussing the legalities of the situation,
answer me this:
Is it legal in Iran to hold someone prisoner for 9 months
without
being charged?
Is it legal to deny them access to an attorney?
Is it legal to torture these people?
Is Iran not a signatory of both the Universal Declaration of
Human
Rights and the Islamic Declaration of Human Rights?
Is it not violating both?
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