The Baha'i Studies Listserv There's absolutely no evidence that the Bab ever claimed to be the successor of Siyyid Kazim.
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > The Bab was one of four people who claimed to be the successor to *Sayyid > Kāẓim bin Qāsim al-Ḥusaynī ar-Rashtī* who was the successor of *Shaykh > Ahmad ibn Zayn ad-Dín ibn Ibráhím al-Ahsá'í* > Among the Shaykis left who do they consider to be his successor? > Haji Miraza Muhammad Karim Khan Kermani > Shafi Tabrizi > Mirza Muhammad Haqqaq-e-Ifsahani > > The Bab (Mirza Ali Muhammad Shirazi) (Just to complete the list, but > technically if they considered him to be the successor, they would be > Baha'is, Azalis, Daheshists, etc. and not Shaykhis anymore.) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> > *To:* Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > *Sent:* Tue, January 26, 2010 6:18:19 PM > *Subject:* Re: Sects > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > They did so on the grounds that they think the Bab taught reincarnation, > Dahesh being the "return" of the Bab means something like that to them. > There are several references to reincarnation on their website. Dr. Dahesh's > calims are basically only valid via the fact he believes himself to be Bab's > reincarnation, no actual connection to Babism in any other way though. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> > *To:* Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > *Sent:* Tue, January 26, 2010 4:47:25 PM > *Subject:* Re: Sects > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > What are arabic/persian letters like in trying to figure out handwriting? > I > > have heard that The Will & Testament of 'Abdu'l-Baha is fraudulent. > > Dear Stephen, > > The person who suggested that the Will and Testament was fraudulent > had no familiarity with either Persian or Arabic. > > I have > > also heard that Some Answered Questions is also fraudulent, but from a > > different source. The first, Free Baha'i Faith of Zimmer Hermann and Ruth > > White and Mirza Ahmad Sorhab and Frederick Glaysher (also the Caravan of > > East and West, the New Historic Society, the Reform Baha'i Faith), and > the > > second, Daheshism of Doctor Dahesh aka Salim/Saleem Musa/Moosa > > Al-Awshi/El-Awshee. > > It was Ruth White who originally hired a handwriting expert to look > over Abdu'l-Baha's Will. As I mentioned earlier the expert in question > did not know Persian and was in no position to evaluate handwriting in > that language, but Ruth White paid him so he took the money. The > document which this handwriting expert looked at was not even the > original Will, it was a facsimile. He made what he himself admitted > was a very tentative evaluation based on this facsimile stating that > without the original document he really couldn't be sure. I might add > he couldn't be sure because of his unfamiliarity the script as well. > The Will and Testament was written during three different periods of > Abdu'l-Baha's life and reflected the variations we would expect to see > as someone grows older. Also, there are various types of script used > in writing Persian and the same person is more than capable of > mastering several of them. I doubt if the person doing the handwriting > analysis was at all aware of it. As for Ahmad Sohrab, despite his > disobedience to Shoghi Effendi, he never challenged the authenticity, > he never challenged the authenticity of the Will and Testament, the > reason being that unlike Ruth White, Hermann Zimmer, Fred Glaysher or > this handwriting expert, Ahmad Sohrab *knew* Abdu'l-Baha's handwriting > and this was no forgery. As for Hermann Zimmer and Fred Glaysher, > these two have merely stolen Ruth White's assertion and added nothing > knew to the discussion. Their motives are pretty obvious. They don't > like the Administrative Order and are willing to use any means, fare > or foul to discredit it. > > I was not aware that the Daheshites were challenging the authenticity > of the Some Answered Questions. I'm not sure on what grounds they > could do so. As far as I know this is a movement. which has simply > stolen a lot of Baha'i ideas. > > warmest, Susan > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-483251-17190...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-483290-17190...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:ahang.rabb...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-483811-10928...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-483814-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
