The Baha'i Studies Listserv The concept is not that difficult. Do they claim to be the return of the manifestations before them? e.g. Christ Moses Baha'u'llah. Do they claim to posses divine knowledge? Do they bring a new set of laws and book? They must fulfil these things. Now Jesus may not have brought a new book but actually he did because he annulled certain commandments of Moses and reinfoced others. Funny story... Yesterday some Mormans came to my door and tried to teach me and they said yep they have this prophet who they follow whats his face, I cant remember his name and they wanted to invite me to their information night ( a bit like a Bahai does). Anyway I said ah so this guy is a prophet does he have divine knowledge and she said whats that and i said "He has to know everything". (eg Muhammad said the earth revolved around the sun prooving his divine source of knowledge despite people not agreeing with him). And she said. Yes he does have divine knowledge. When he speeks i can feel his words in my heart and they touch me. Pffff This is obviously not divine knowledge! Anyone with Charisma can do this. Anyway so they left and i said come back after new years.
One more thing though. A manifestation of God need not prove they are one by showing you a sign. If you need a sign it only reflects badly on yourself. The main thing is investigate. On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 5:39 AM, Stephen Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > What is a Manifestation? A Druze, Ismaili, etc. would recognize that > there are Manifestations, but understand the concept differently than a > Bayani or a Bahai. The Ismailis have Aga Khan IV. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Sen & Sonja <sen.so...@casema.nl> > > *To:* Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> > *Sent:* Sun, December 19, 2010 4:45:45 AM > > *Subject:* Re: respect for prophets was Re: Joseph Emmanuel > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > On 19 Dec 2010 at 10:05, Firouz wrote: > > > This is the main issue you pointed out. Gilberto and indeed no Muslim > > could ever accept that there could be a Messenger after Prophet > > Muhammad, > > And yet, you did make that step. You should know personally, and you > can see historically, that many Muslims have made that step. Beware > of essentialisms (which is to say, prejudices) that lay down what a > whole class of people "can never do." > > The "recognition" (irfan) of a messenger of God (whether new, or > already socially accepted) requires something more than knowledge of > certain texts, or the ability to manipulate the codes of meaning to > come up with the "right" answer. It involves a certain personal > capacity which cannot be aquired simply by taking over someone else's > knowledge and arguments, but which can be developed internally. This > capacity is not limited to people of any one race or religion or era, > but it is very far from universal. Irfan is and has always been the > prize for those who strive for it > > Sen > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > Sen McGlinn http://senmcglinn.wordpress.com > > Happy are those who spend their days in gaining knowledge, in > discovering the secrets of nature, and in penetrating the subtleties > of > pure truth! Woe to those who are contented with ignorance, whose > hearts > are gladdened by thoughtless imitation, ... who have wasted their > lives!"(~Abdu'l-Baha, Some Answered Questions p.137) > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-547810-1719008.2a3842ae5b2f7d34dd5fdfc724616...@list.jccc.edu > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:naistrada...@gmail.com > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-548341-2222932.41cdf54d4f0ecb51bfad2c42bd979...@list.jccc.edu > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548402-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
