I sometimes wonder why I haven't come across much in the way of
contemporary agonisings about pitch standards and compatibility of
lutes with their wide range of scale lengths for a given nominal
pitch. Presumably this would have been a problem for the old guys
too? Or have I missed something?
Bill
From: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
To: Anthony Hind <agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; Baroque lute Dmth
<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 12:46
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
I think the same applies to lute accompaniment as well if the piece
is
in tablature. Of course if its just a bass line one can transpose I
suppose but, provided the piece is reasonably within range, singers
are
generally OK to transpose on sight - unless, of course, they're
cursed
with 'perfect' (modern) pitch......
Martyn
--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind <[1]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 12:11
I was rather thinking of a singer being accompanied by a single lute,
in which perhaps the choice of lute might be secondary and determined
by the best range, and tonal agreement with the singer. In the case
of
a singer adapting to an orchestra, I imagine you would be right.
Anthony
----- Mail original -----
De : Martyn Hodgson <[1][4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : William Samson <[2][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>;
"[3][6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[4][7]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>;
Anthony Hind <[5][8]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Cc :
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 12h58
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
Dear Anthony,
Unless outside their range, won't singers simply transpose to fit
with
the key/pitch of the accompaniment rather than the band having to
change instruments?
regards
Martyn
--- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind <[6][9]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
From: Anthony Hind <[7][10]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
To: "William Samson" <[8][11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>,
"[9][12]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[10][13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 11:41
For accompanying singers, also, the answer, unfortunately, is to
have a
number of different sized lutes.
Anthony
----- Mail original -----
De : William Samson <[1][11][14]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>
A : Anthony Hind <[2][12][15]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; sterling
price
<[3][13][16]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Cc : "[4][14][17]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[5][15][18]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 10h27
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
As far as I can see the only show-stopper for a lute tuned to
392Hz
is
ensemble work, when the other musicians are tuned to a higher
pitch
standard - usually 415Hz. That's where a 66cm baroque lute
would
be
useful. Having said that, not many lutes that small have
survived.
Of
course, the old guys (unlike me) might have been able to
transpose a
semitone up without any trouble.
Bill
From: Anthony Hind <[6][16][19]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>
To: sterling price <[7][17][20]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
Cc: "[8][18][21]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"
<[9][19][22]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 9:06
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
My 70 cm Warwick works well at 392Hz. While going from 407Hz
to
392Hz,
I wanted to raise the tension of the basses slightly, so I
just
shifted
them along one increment (C1 to D2 etc). However, I changed
most
of
the
mid and top strings.
The basses were two years old, but still seem good.
A smaller lute, as Ed suggests, might be better at 415.
Anthony
PS My intuition might be that certain pieces are better
played
at
392,
but perhaps not all.
__________________________________________________________________
De : sterling price <[1][10][20][23]spiffys84...@yahoo.com>
A : howard posner <[2][11][21][24]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>;
baroque
lute
list
<[3][12][22][25]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 5h18
Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
Hi-After just playing it now, I like the basses but the 1st
and
2nd courses could be higher tension of course so I think I
will
go
that
way.
Just curious--how many of you are playing baroque lutes at
A=392? I
think it works quite well on a larger lute, but I'm not
convinced
it
should be done on a smaller lute(ie below 69cm). My 70.5cm
Burkholzer
will stay at 415.
-Sterling
From: howard posner
<[1][4][13][23][26]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
To: baroque lute list
<[2][5][14][24][27]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:15 PM
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392
On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:15 PM, sterling price wrote:
> My question is: should I
> just tune the same 415 strings down or get a new set of
strings
for
> 392?
Yes. Those are pretty much the only two options.
> Right now it is at 392 but I'm wondering if it might
sound
better
> with new strings. Any thoughts?
Do you like it at 392 now?
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