Yes, a .62 would be too large of a string for the 2nd course. The 2nd course should be somewhere around 0.48.
ed At 02:54 AM 11/30/2011, sterling price wrote: > Ok-now some of you have me rethinking my earlier statement about about > not tuning a medium sized lute at 392hz. I have heard a Burkholzer at > 392 and it sounded fine. I was thinking before of a case I heard of > where a guy tuned his 77cm baroque lute to a=440(with modern strings of > course). That seems a bit excessive. > By the way on my lute I put the 2nd course as the first and found a .62 > gut for the 2nd. Is this too much tension for a 75.5cm d with a=392hz? > I'm looking in your direction Ed Martin... > > --Sterling > From: William Samson <willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> > To: Martyn Hodgson <hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > Cc: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:35 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > I sometimes wonder why I haven't come across much in the way of > contemporary agonisings about pitch standards and compatibility of > lutes with their wide range of scale lengths for a given nominal > pitch. Presumably this would have been a problem for the old guys > too? Or have I missed something? > Bill > From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > To: Anthony Hind <[2]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; Baroque lute Dmth > <[3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 12:46 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > I think the same applies to lute accompaniment as well if the piece > is > in tablature. Of course if its just a bass line one can transpose > I > suppose but, provided the piece is reasonably within range, singers > are > generally OK to transpose on sight - unless, of course, they're > cursed > with 'perfect' (modern) pitch...... > Martyn > --- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind <[1][4]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > From: Anthony Hind <[2][5]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3][6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 12:11 > I was rather thinking of a singer being accompanied by a single > lute, > in which perhaps the choice of lute might be secondary and > determined > by the best range, and tonal agreement with the singer. In the case > of > a singer adapting to an orchestra, I imagine you would be right. > Anthony > ----- Mail original ----- > De : Martyn Hodgson <[1][4][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> > A : William Samson <[2][5][8]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>; > "[3][6][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > <[4][7][10]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; > Anthony Hind <[5][8][11]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > Cc : > Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 12h58 > Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > Dear Anthony, > Unless outside their range, won't singers simply transpose to > fit > with > the key/pitch of the accompaniment rather than the band having > to > change instruments? > regards > Martyn > --- On Tue, 29/11/11, Anthony Hind > <[6][9][12]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > wrote: > From: Anthony Hind <[7][10][13]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > To: "William Samson" <[8][11][14]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>, > "[9][12][15]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > <[10][13][16]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Date: Tuesday, 29 November, 2011, 11:41 > For accompanying singers, also, the answer, unfortunately, is > to > have a > number of different sized lutes. > Anthony > ----- Mail original ----- > De : William Samson <[1][11][14][17]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> > A : Anthony Hind <[2][12][15][18]agno3ph...@yahoo.com>; > sterling > price > <[3][13][16][19]spiffys84...@yahoo.com> > Cc : "[4][14][17][20]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > <[5][15][18][21]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 10h27 > Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > As far as I can see the only show-stopper for a lute tuned to > 392Hz > is > ensemble work, when the other musicians are tuned to a higher > pitch > standard - usually 415Hz. That's where a 66cm baroque lute > would > be > useful. Having said that, not many lutes that small have > survived. > Of > course, the old guys (unlike me) might have been able to > transpose a > semitone up without any trouble. > Bill > From: Anthony Hind <[6][16][19][22]agno3ph...@yahoo.com> > To: sterling price <[7][17][20][23]spiffys84...@yahoo.com> > Cc: "[8][18][21][24]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" > <[9][19][22][25]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011, 9:06 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > My 70 cm Warwick works well at 392Hz. While going from > 407Hz > to > 392Hz, > I wanted to raise the tension of the basses slightly, so I > just > shifted > them along one increment (C1 to D2 etc). However, I changed > most > of > the > mid and top strings. > The basses were two years old, but still seem good. > A smaller lute, as Ed suggests, might be better at 415. > Anthony > PS My intuition might be that certain pieces are better > played > at > 392, > but perhaps not all. > __________________________________________________________________ > De : sterling price > <[1][10][20][23][26]spiffys84...@yahoo.com> > A : howard posner > <[2][11][21][24][27]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>; > baroque > lute > list > <[3][12][22][25][28]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Envoye le : Mardi 29 Novembre 2011 5h18 > Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > Hi-After just playing it now, I like the basses but the > 1st > and > 2nd courses could be higher tension of course so I think > I > will > go > that > way. > Just curious--how many of you are playing baroque lutes > at > A=392? I > think it works quite well on a larger lute, but I'm not > convinced > it > should be done on a smaller lute(ie below 69cm). My > 70.5cm > Burkholzer > will stay at 415. > -Sterling > From: howard posner > <[1][4][13][23][26][29]howardpos...@ca.rr.com> > To: baroque lute list > <[2][5][14][24][27][30]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:15 PM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A=392 > On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:15 PM, sterling price wrote: > > My question is: should I > > just tune the same 415 strings down or get a new set > of > strings > for > > 392? > Yes. Those are pretty much the only two options. > > Right now it is at 392 but I'm wondering if it might > sound > better > > with new strings. 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