Hi, As neeraj jee wrote that "facts will be better" then please read various articles over net regarding size of Telangana and other States of Union of India. Rochana Jee`s point made it clear that most of the group members do not know that " how states are formed in India ? ". A few might answer (laughing at me) "on language basis" . But this is totally wrong.
At the time of emergency Indira Gandhi added word "Secularism" in constitution preamble and made everything rotten. Similarly at the time of Jansangh, They amended Article 58,59 of Formation of State territory and made errors.As we all know RSS + BJP knows how to work and plan things out for the country`s betterment first and then Its people`s. Rochana Jee, Constitution of India says " Mass Majority and mass demands should be considered and decision in accordance should be made by the house under President of India acting as a chief of General surveyor of union territory of India ". Problems in above statements are :- 1) Mass Majority has no figure limit (may be 100,1000,lac etc. . . ) 2)"Decision by House" ( Which house LS RS by which process. . .) 3) President of India cannot become Surveyer chief of India as per 1993 Right with UNO. So the whole act become dismissed. Hence came the tail of never ending amendments amongst which the most recent one is this one <http://lawmin.nic.in/coi/part1.pdf> A better factful article is present here by soutik Biswas from BBC<http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/soutikbiswas/2009/12/does_india_need_more_states.html>and from E Raghav from DNA Money.<http://www.dnaindia.com/opinion/comment_letting-telangana-to-separate-from-andhra-has-opened-up-a-pandora-s-box_1324216> America has divided its states according to area and population both. But lets not talk on USA for now! REgards, Mayank On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Neeraj Joshi <[email protected]>wrote: > > > Dear Members, > > This discussion brings out lot of interesting points, division of states, > criteria of it, Indians identity overseas, state of affairs in the recently > created states, political parties and their agendas so on and so forth. I > understand that issues like these can affect people at personal level and > one need to be appreciative of that. However rhetoric full of emotions is > what one should avoid because that completely dilutes the argument. Fact > based discussion is always interesting to read and react. For instance if > any of the learned members of the group can throw lights on new > infrastructure projects which have started (or not started) in the new > stated post their formation, it will be interesting. > > Regards, > > --- On *Sat, 12/12/09, Kumar Gyanesh <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Kumar Gyanesh <[email protected]> > Subject: [bm] [Re.]Please think infinite times before you talk about my > Mother-Land.... > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, 12 December, 2009, 5:32 AM > > > > Dear Mayankjee, > > > I believe that now I should stop debating on this topic but before that I > just want to say that you are telling about stander of living has been > improved in Jharkhand or other states after division, than I am sorry to say > that it means you have not visited any of the remote areas of these places. > Don't look from outer side please go inside and you will realize the truth > of division. Yes everything has been improved but that is only for bloody > politicians and bureaucrats not of "Aam Aadmi". How can you say that now > people from Jharkhad or Bihar are living in a better condition than earlier? > What do you mean by earlier? Are you talking about some 50 years ago? Which > better changes have you found in last 25 years in any of these states? > > You are talking about Congress Party... what the hell BJP-JD(U) has done > for Bihar? The problem is that we all are looking from the one side of > mirror, please look from other side too. Still in every state there are > uncountable people who are not in a position to get food for one time. Do > you believe that after division they will start getting it? There are N > number of people who are not getting education? Will they start getting it > after division? > > Do you believe that if Vidharv will be separated from Maharashtra than the > farmers will be able to sell Onions at Rs. 5 / Kg? No never dear.... Nothing > is going to be changed as we all are botherless about what these so called > decision makers for the country or state are doing. In a simple but straight > sentence I can say "We all are paralyzed". > > We want everything but will never try by our own. We can cry by using > Electronic or Print Media but we have no guts to screw these bloody > Deshdrohis. > > I only know that Division has never been the solution for any problem, > whether it's a matter of family, state or country. > > > Gyanesh Thakur > *"Mai Bhartiya...Bharat Mera... Jai Hind...Jai Bharat"* > > > --- On *Sat, 12/12/09, mayank shukla <magicofmayank@ gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: mayank shukla <magicofmayank@ gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [bm] Please think infinite times before you talk about my > Mother-Land. ... > To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:42 PM > > > Dear Kumar jee and Mahek Jee, > As off lot of discussions this is the discussion having no end, still I > would like to insert that " division of states is done basically by using > Language and difference in culture marked by difference in living standards > by using scales like percapita income etc. . . > The basic problem drawn here is not the division. The problem is the lack > of development plan. > Congress party`s members think that more the structure of India ressembles > with US the more they can say " we are like USA " and more grant they can > grab. > > As far as development of Jharkhand is called on I can say thay " according > to our living standards it has grown nothing. but when compared to the way > they were living and now the way they are living is better. Although > rotation of money in new system has as usual always benifited Congress via > Madhu Koda. But yet the rotation improved the living of local people. > > As far as Chattisgarh near MP is considered. Living standard was not the > problem but the difference in culture generated Naxil problem in area which > was easily suppressed by well working state government. > > *My opinion :-* Division of state is not bad having a plan for it is above > this decision. Congress never has a plan. Neither they wanna make one. They > are interested in maintaining their own businesses. All of the congress > members are holding one city from which they always win. Chidambaram, Sonia > Gandhi, etc all of them have no development issue but they do use cast and > religion. At time of Indira Gandhi she included " Secularism in constition > premble of India making it unstable and now Manmohan gave reservation on > basis of religion. > > Regards, > > Mayank > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Kumar Gyanesh <kgyan...@yahoo. > com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> >> Dear Mahek, >> >> I respect your view that you have mentioned in your mail saying *"Creation >> of separate state in my view would improve infrastructure in telangana,"*but >> have you ever visited those states after division which you named below >> in your mail? I don't believe so... because if you would have ever visited >> than you would never had mentioned such type of statement. >> >> Which infrastructure are you talking about is goin to improve after >> division? Go to Jharkhand.. except Ranchi, Jamshedpur, Dhandbad and Bokaro >> which all cities have you found developed after division? Just for your kind >> information all the above mentioned cities are developed before the division >> of Bihar into Jharkhand. >> >> Now go to Bihar... Have you found any of the cities developed after >> division? All cities of the said state are still in the same condition as >> earlier it were. Just imagine if the capital of the state has not seen any >> infrastructure changes than forget about other cities. >> >> Same situation you will find in other mentioned states too. I can give you >> more details on these states also but later as currently I am running behind >> the time. >> >> Again one of your statement "I am as much an Indian and hyderabadi as you >> are." I just want to ask you one thing, why can't we say that we are only an >> Indian rather than tagging ourselves to any of the state? Have you visited >> any of the foreign country? If yes.. than can you recall any instances when >> people from that country would have asked you "Hey Mahek... you are from >> which state?" The answer you will find no..never. They would have rather >> asked you "Hey Mahek... you are from which country?" The problem is that we >> ourselves are too much interested and eager to divide ourselves than these >> bugger politicians. By enjoying saying that we are from this state, this >> cast, this religion and other rubbish and baseless statements why can't >> we straight away proudly say that hey boss I am Indian and please never try >> to divide us by your Bullshit queries? >> >> Whatever has happened or happening is nothing than the baseless political >> game. These shameless politicians irrespective of their parties, have only >> one funda "Divide and Rule", and the most shameful truth is that we are also >> accepting it by helping them in any way. >> ** >> ** >> *Gyanesh Thakur* >> *"Mai Bhartiya.... Bharat Mera... Jai Hind... Jai Bharat."* >> >> >> >> --- On *Thu, 12/10/09, Mahek Shah <mahek.m.shah@ >> gmail.com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Mahek Shah <mahek.m.shah@ >> gmail.com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > >> Subject: Re: [bm] Please Stop Dividing Mother India Any Further.... >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. >> com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:59 PM >> >> >> I dont subscribe to your views. And I am as much an Indian and hyderabadi >> as you are. >> >> Creation of separate state in my view would improve infrastructure in >> telangana, which till date is as backward as it was few decades back. I look >> at it from administrative deliverance point of view. I remember my dad going >> to his native here in nizamabad city and still finding the same mud lanes, >> same pot holes, same open drainage system even after 30 years. Just because >> hyderabad got good development doesn't necessary mean the whole region has >> done well. The main area which will improve is the basic facilities and >> effective execution of state and central government programs. The demand for >> separate state is not to divide people but to deliver to common man. >> >> Also, i don't subscribe to the violence used by TRS to show off its >> strength. Nor do i subscribe to congress party which agreed to partition >> overnight, with out any proper debate, demands, public opinion and >> credibility & intention of the guys who demanded separate state. >> >> i consider telangana as a state carved out just like chattisgarh, >> uttarakhand or jharkhand. >> >> >> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Indra Mohan <indramohan_a@ >> yahoo.com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >>> >>> I agree , common hyderabadis stand up and ask the politians that why >>> the hell they want to seperate AP. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:00 AM, moha gandhi <mohad...@yahoo. >>> com<http://us.mc550.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> Hi Friends, >>> >>> It has been high time we have kept silent ? Why is silence such a BIG >>> Disease of we Indians ? >>> Let any thing happnes we keep suffering and bearing ? ? ? WHY ??? >>> >>> I am a proud Hyderabadi and equally Happy to be living in Andhra Pradesh, >>> inspite of not being a native, i connect more here than anywhere else ? Then >>> can some one please tell me how people can differentiate depending on the >>> regions tey stay in. respecively Telengana, Andhra, Rayalseema ? >>> >>> It causes me such a great pain to see the destruction being caused to MY >>> STATE, which i always want to remain as ONE. >>> >>> Shd we nt try to stp the further partition of our country, coz Gandhiji >>> fasted to stop the partition of the country and today's politicians fast to >>> further segment the country ? ? ? This is pathetic and disgusting ! ! ! to >>> say the least. >>> >>> Why nt a single person comes forward for the sake of unity when hordes of >>> people can join to be ready to further divide the state ? Why did no one >>> complain when Hyderabad was made into a World Class City, (also appreciated >>> by Mr. Bill Clinton) ? >>> Was Hyderabad then not a part of Telengana ? Why forget the Hitech City , >>> which hosts a wide range of MNCs, which earn our state such a humugous >>> amount of revenue ? Do the people complain then that only Telengana is >>> having MNCs ? >>> >>> It should always be born in mind that not all the children of a mother >>> are equal nor all the fingers of our hand are the same. What one requires >>> for a strong grip is a complete palm, without a single missing finger, A >>> mothe never diffentiates between her child and equally distributes all her >>> treasures among them all. >>> >>> Accepted that this may not have happend always, there may have been >>> instances where some injustice has been meted out, but SEPERATION AS A >>> SOLUTION IS NO SOLUTION. This should be the first and foremost thought. >>> >>> Friends speak up , coz it will be to late to get back onc you are ousted >>> from your home, you may never get the chance again. >>> People from other states are suffering enough in Maharastra. guess, no >>> one would one more state meting out the same treatment to the people >>> anymore. >>> >>> A Depressed but Proud Resident of AP >>> Moha Gandhi. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. 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