Recently I was in New Zealand. While interacting with the Indian diaspora out there I realized that they have a very structured Gujarati community, Bengali community, Sikh Community, Tamil Society so on and so forth. No one could tell if there was any Indian community where people would get together to celebrate all the Indian festivals, discuss issues India is facing or just to get together as Indians. I know for sure that there is one British circle and an American one operating in Mumbai...
--- On Fri, 18/12/09, Rochana Devi Raavi <[email protected]> wrote: From: Rochana Devi Raavi <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [bm] [Re.]Please think infinite times before you talk about my Mother-Land.... To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 18 December, 2009, 12:31 AM Dear All, An American visited India and went back to America Where he met his Indian friend who asked him Indian: How did u find my Country? American: The American said it is a great country With solid ancient history And immensely rich with natural resources. Indian: How did u find Indians?? American: Indians?? Who Indians?? I didn't find or met a single Indian there in India. Indian: What nonsense?? Who else could u met in India then?? The American said ………… In Kashmir I met a Kashmiri, In Punjab a Panjabi, In Bihar, Maharastra, Rajasthan, Bengal, Tamil Nadu, Kerala are Bihari, Marathi, Marwadi, Bengali, Tamilian, Malayali Then i met A Hindu, A Muslim, A Christian, A Jain, A Buddhist And many many many more But not a single Indian did i meet Think how serious this joke is.. The day would not be far off when indeed we would ……. Become a collection of nation states as some Regional anti-national politicians want... ***********now see andhra pradesh fighting for telangana and Andhra states. The thing that i am surprised was 1. They need separate telangana as they say there was no development in their regions so if separated they can develop themselves then if they really want to separate and develop why the hell they take telangana and get out of andhra but they want the developed capital as well otherwise they say they dont want Telangana without the head. This shows the intention behind their fight for a separate state. 2. They say that andhra people as CMs have eaten all the money and have'nt developed the telangana region. then what are they doing from past 50 years only asking asking and keep asking for the separate state. ok if CMs are andhra people what about the MLAs and MINISTERs being elected by telangana people are they not local people. what are they doing from last 50 yrs. they are just winning in the elections and not even providing basic facilities for the people who elected them. leave all other MLAs and Ministers. The gr8 KCR who started all this drama....... ......... ..he was in TDP when it formed the Govt then after in Congress when it won the elections being in the Government instead of fighting for telangana state he would have worked to release funds from government to develop other parts of telangana when andhra ministers are just developing hyderabad and andhra? 3. I feel pity for the students who are spoiling their carrer and life in participating in the violence which will do good for politicians but not to the common man. 4. I work as an environmental engineer in hyderabad for road construction projects and during my public consultations in andhra region i am shocked to know that there are many villages in vijayawada and coastal andhra region where there are no PHC as well for the people and they have to travel more than 8 kms and in some areas more than 20 kms to have primary medical services. so tell me without developing telangana did the andhra people are benefited. No....... NEVER ............ everywhere the COMMON MAN is the only one to suffer. 5. Then now see the central government to save KCR life from fasting it announced separation of state overnight and now the complete state is burning from common man to politicians then they showed off their faces and are in silence. what does this mean. 6. I dont think separation is the solution for development but will become worse than now. think of the problems and this is the time to get each one's region developed. rather to ask for a separate state ask ur MLAs and MPs whom you elected to work for the development of your region. Last but not the Least instead of taking money and voting the wrong person why people can vote the better person and ask him to spend money on development rather than wasting money in buying votes. i wish everything settles down and Andhra Pradesh must be one. if Telanagan means land of telugu people. All telugu peopel should stay in one state united.i once again request that see through the problems and slove it dont cry for separation and ruin your own lives. BE UNITED. EVERYONE Fight back for the welfare of common man and development of your regions but not for the advantage of politicians. Always say I AM INDIAN and PROUD TO BE AN INDIAN Jai hind With Best Regards, Rochana On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Kumar Gyanesh <kgyan...@yahoo. com> wrote: Dear Mayankjee, I believe that now I should stop debating on this topic but before that I just want to say that you are telling about stander of living has been improved in Jharkhand or other states after division, than I am sorry to say that it means you have not visited any of the remote areas of these places. Don't look from outer side please go inside and you will realize the truth of division. Yes everything has been improved but that is only for bloody politicians and bureaucrats not of "Aam Aadmi". How can you say that now people from Jharkhad or Bihar are living in a better condition than earlier? What do you mean by earlier? Are you talking about some 50 years ago? Which better changes have you found in last 25 years in any of these states? You are talking about Congress Party... what the hell BJP-JD(U) has done for Bihar? The problem is that we all are looking from the one side of mirror, please look from other side too. Still in every state there are uncountable people who are not in a position to get food for one time. Do you believe that after division they will start getting it? There are N number of people who are not getting education? Will they start getting it after division? Do you believe that if Vidharv will be separated from Maharashtra than the farmers will be able to sell Onions at Rs. 5 / Kg? No never dear.... Nothing is going to be changed as we all are botherless about what these so called decision makers for the country or state are doing. In a simple but straight sentence I can say "We all are paralyzed". We want everything but will never try by our own. We can cry by using Electronic or Print Media but we have no guts to screw these bloody Deshdrohis. I only know that Division has never been the solution for any problem, whether it's a matter of family, state or country. Gyanesh Thakur "Mai Bhartiya...Bharat Mera... Jai Hind...Jai Bharat" --- On Sat, 12/12/09, mayank shukla <magicofmayank@ gmail.com> wrote: From: mayank shukla <magicofmayank@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: [bm] Please think infinite times before you talk about my Mother-Land. ... To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:42 PM Dear Kumar jee and Mahek Jee, As off lot of discussions this is the discussion having no end, still I would like to insert that " division of states is done basically by using Language and difference in culture marked by difference in living standards by using scales like percapita income etc. . . The basic problem drawn here is not the division. The problem is the lack of development plan. Congress party`s members think that more the structure of India ressembles with US the more they can say " we are like USA " and more grant they can grab. As far as development of Jharkhand is called on I can say thay " according to our living standards it has grown nothing. but when compared to the way they were living and now the way they are living is better. Although rotation of money in new system has as usual always benifited Congress via Madhu Koda. But yet the rotation improved the living of local people. As far as Chattisgarh near MP is considered. Living standard was not the problem but the difference in culture generated Naxil problem in area which was easily suppressed by well working state government. My opinion :- Division of state is not bad having a plan for it is above this decision. Congress never has a plan. Neither they wanna make one. They are interested in maintaining their own businesses. All of the congress members are holding one city from which they always win. Chidambaram, Sonia Gandhi, etc all of them have no development issue but they do use cast and religion. At time of Indira Gandhi she included " Secularism in constition premble of India making it unstable and now Manmohan gave reservation on basis of religion. Regards, Mayank On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Kumar Gyanesh <kgyan...@yahoo. com> wrote: Dear Mahek, I respect your view that you have mentioned in your mail saying "Creation of separate state in my view would improve infrastructure in telangana," but have you ever visited those states after division which you named below in your mail? I don't believe so... because if you would have ever visited than you would never had mentioned such type of statement. Which infrastructure are you talking about is goin to improve after division? Go to Jharkhand.. except Ranchi, Jamshedpur, Dhandbad and Bokaro which all cities have you found developed after division? Just for your kind information all the above mentioned cities are developed before the division of Bihar into Jharkhand. Now go to Bihar... Have you found any of the cities developed after division? All cities of the said state are still in the same condition as earlier it were. Just imagine if the capital of the state has not seen any infrastructure changes than forget about other cities. Same situation you will find in other mentioned states too. I can give you more details on these states also but later as currently I am running behind the time. Again one of your statement "I am as much an Indian and hyderabadi as you are." I just want to ask you one thing, why can't we say that we are only an Indian rather than tagging ourselves to any of the state? Have you visited any of the foreign country? If yes.. than can you recall any instances when people from that country would have asked you "Hey Mahek... you are from which state?" The answer you will find no..never. They would have rather asked you "Hey Mahek... you are from which country?" The problem is that we ourselves are too much interested and eager to divide ourselves than these bugger politicians. By enjoying saying that we are from this state, this cast, this religion and other rubbish and baseless statements why can't we straight away proudly say that hey boss I am Indian and please never try to divide us by your Bullshit queries? Whatever has happened or happening is nothing than the baseless political game. These shameless politicians irrespective of their parties, have only one funda "Divide and Rule", and the most shameful truth is that we are also accepting it by helping them in any way. Gyanesh Thakur "Mai Bhartiya.... Bharat Mera... Jai Hind... Jai Bharat." --- On Thu, 12/10/09, Mahek Shah <mahek.m.shah@ gmail.com> wrote: From: Mahek Shah <mahek.m.shah@ gmail.com> Subject: Re: [bm] Please Stop Dividing Mother India Any Further.... To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com Date: Thursday, December 10, 2009, 12:59 PM I dont subscribe to your views. And I am as much an Indian and hyderabadi as you are. Creation of separate state in my view would improve infrastructure in telangana, which till date is as backward as it was few decades back. I look at it from administrative deliverance point of view. I remember my dad going to his native here in nizamabad city and still finding the same mud lanes, same pot holes, same open drainage system even after 30 years. Just because hyderabad got good development doesn't necessary mean the whole region has done well. The main area which will improve is the basic facilities and effective execution of state and central government programs. The demand for separate state is not to divide people but to deliver to common man. Also, i don't subscribe to the violence used by TRS to show off its strength. Nor do i subscribe to congress party which agreed to partition overnight, with out any proper debate, demands, public opinion and credibility & intention of the guys who demanded separate state. i consider telangana as a state carved out just like chattisgarh, uttarakhand or jharkhand. On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Indra Mohan <indramohan_a@ yahoo.com> wrote: I agree , common hyderabadis stand up and ask the politians that why the hell they want to seperate AP. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 8, 2009, at 10:00 AM, moha gandhi <mohad...@yahoo. com> wrote: Hi Friends, It has been high time we have kept silent ? Why is silence such a BIG Disease of we Indians ? Let any thing happnes we keep suffering and bearing ? ? ? WHY ??? I am a proud Hyderabadi and equally Happy to be living in Andhra Pradesh, inspite of not being a native, i connect more here than anywhere else ? Then can some one please tell me how people can differentiate depending on the regions tey stay in. respecively Telengana, Andhra, Rayalseema ? It causes me such a great pain to see the destruction being caused to MY STATE, which i always want to remain as ONE. Shd we nt try to stp the further partition of our country, coz Gandhiji fasted to stop the partition of the country and today's politicians fast to further segment the country ? ? ? This is pathetic and disgusting ! ! ! to say the least. Why nt a single person comes forward for the sake of unity when hordes of people can join to be ready to further divide the state ? Why did no one complain when Hyderabad was made into a World Class City, (also appreciated by Mr. Bill Clinton) ? Was Hyderabad then not a part of Telengana ? Why forget the Hitech City , which hosts a wide range of MNCs, which earn our state such a humugous amount of revenue ? Do the people complain then that only Telengana is having MNCs ? It should always be born in mind that not all the children of a mother are equal nor all the fingers of our hand are the same. What one requires for a strong grip is a complete palm, without a single missing finger, A mothe never diffentiates between her child and equally distributes all her treasures among them all. Accepted that this may not have happend always, there may have been instances where some injustice has been meted out, but SEPERATION AS A SOLUTION IS NO SOLUTION. This should be the first and foremost thought. Friends speak up , coz it will be to late to get back onc you are ousted from your home, you may never get the chance again. People from other states are suffering enough in Maharastra. guess, no one would one more state meting out the same treatment to the people anymore. 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