Dear Friends, A very interesting debate which has thrown open many many aspects of our life in 21st century. Everyone has given the views, even in strong expressions, as per their conception / experience. I respect them. What is your reaction to a news heading," Senior officer has been raping a woman of say 30 years age for 7 months or so": "Foreign tourist raped by a friend for 7 days or so".
regards Col Shivraj Advisor in Telecommunications & IT 210 Munirka Vihar New Delhi-110067 Phone: 26102999 Mob : + 919810433842 http://www.google.com/profiles/colshivraj. *REMOVE POSTERS * On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:07 PM, jag1ts <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Mahek ji, > > Very well put. > > Applies to other reservations too. We must try and get equal opportunity > for all, reservations are basicaly and totaly against this concept. > > Same applies to legal enactments also. > > regards, > jagwant > 919779450654 > > *If we are not part of the solution ;* > We are part of the problem! > To become part of the solution please contact sender. > > ... come let us participate in the new war of independence of the 21st > Century, > Join Bharat Swabhimaan to create a new Bharat. > > *--आओ २१वी सदी की नई आज़ादी की लडाई में भाग लें,* > भारत स्वाभिमान से जुड़कर एक नया भारत बनाए. > > > --- On *Tue, 29/6/10, Mahek Shah <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: Mahek Shah <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, 29 June, 2010, 3:29 PM > > > Adding to the discussion, > > Women's reservation bill is like men have no right over 33.33% of > parliament seats simply because of there gender... its like talent, > credibility or ambition to run the state dont matter, but gender matters?! > > Women's reservation bill is more like men's un-reservation bill. > > If women wanted they could have contested in 100% of seats before also, > winning and losing depends on the person... then why do they want 33% of > competition for themselves only? > > Easy to blame everything on men! If all women think like that we would > never have got any women leaders like Rani Laxmi bai, Sarojini Naidu, Annie > besant, Indira gandhi, Mayawati, Shiela Dikshit, Sonia Gandhi, Sushma > swaraj, who against all odds have risen on their own and showed the world > that women can lead only if they try... ! > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:03 AM, jag1ts <jag...@yahoo. > com<http://in.mc948.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > wrote: > >> >> Dear Nutan ji and Rohan ji and other friends, >> >> Middle path is often the best path. >> >> Aim is to avoid harrassment of any person (male or female) through wrong >> actions or false amplications (charges). Way to do it ia to treat all >> equally without any hangups of 'old baggage'. Have impartial and speedy >> justice. >> >> regards, >> jagwant >> 919779450654 >> >> *If we are not part of the solution ;* >> We are part of the problem! >> To become part of the solution please contact sender. >> >> ... come let us participate in the new war of independence of the 21st >> Century, >> Join Bharat Swabhimaan to create a new Bharat. >> >> *--आओ २१वी सदी की नई आज़ादी की लडाई में भाग लें,* >> भारत स्वाभिमान से जुड़कर एक नया भारत बनाए. >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 28/6/10, saurabh panday <subhsaurabh@ >> yahoo.com<http://in.mc948.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: saurabh panday <subhsaurabh@ >> yahoo.com<http://in.mc948.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >> >> >> Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. >> com<http://in.mc948.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 10:02 PM >> >> >> >> very much indeed Mr. Rohan... >> >> Regards, >> >> Sourabh Kumar Panday >> *"Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path >> and * >> *leave a trail." - Emerson* >> >> >> --- On *Mon, 28/6/10, ROHAN DHARESH <rohandharesh@ yahoo.co. in>* wrote: >> >> >> From: ROHAN DHARESH <rohandharesh@ yahoo.co. in> >> Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 9:27 AM >> >> >> Nutan, >> Everybody has their right to opinion. But that does not mean that people >> talk what they like and form opinions based on one-sided, porpoganda based >> and cock and bull stories. You say that women are more discriminated than >> men. I counter it. I give you back! I have the right to do so because I >> believe it is a one-sided story. We are in the 21st century and not in the >> 19th century. I would agree with you 100 years ago. Not now. I believe that >> men are as discriminated as women except that due to cultural reasons, we >> cannot see it. Whereas women's perspective is obvious. That which is hidden, >> even though unfair, cannot be seen. That being, such one-sided propaganda >> needs to be aggressively countered. >> Rohan >> >> --- On *Mon, 28/6/10, Nutan Thakur <nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.in>* wrote: >> >> >> From: Nutan Thakur <nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.in> >> Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com, "ROHAN DHARESH" <rohandharesh@ >> yahoo.co. in> >> Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 8:56 AM >> >> >> Roshan saheb, u have all the right to hold ur views as I have the right >> to think my point of view as correct. There is no cobtradiction in it. >> Whenwever and wherever anyone is being harassed or penalized or exploited, >> that is absolutely wrong- man or woman. >> But then due to physical and social factors, women have somehow become >> weaker to their men counterparts and hence this problem is faced more by >> women (though there certainly are many exceptions). >> Thanks for traising this issue >> >> Nutan Thakur >> >> >> --- On *Sun, 27/6/10, ROHAN DHARESH <rohandharesh@ yahoo.co. in>* wrote: >> >> >> From: ROHAN DHARESH <rohandharesh@ yahoo.co. in> >> Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com >> Cc: nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.co. in, nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.in, >> nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.com >> Date: Sunday, 27 June, 2010, 4:21 AM >> >> Dear Dr Nutan, >> I got this forward from Mr Kishore. >> >> First of all, I don't agree with the views of your friend that molestation >> cannot happen without the willing consent of the woman. Having said that, I >> also totally disagree with you when you use derogatory words against menfolk >> saying that they have poor mental outlook. It is the same mental outlook at >> makes men protect and provide women. It is the same poor mental outlook that >> makes guys support women during a fight between a man and a woman. It is the >> same poor mental outlook that makes men sympathise with women more than men. >> You spoke about the 21st centruy women. How many of the 21st century women >> are ready and willing to protect and provide men? How many of the 21st >> century women are ready to marry unemployed men and support them? I can >> challenge you that the number is insignificant in a country of 120 crores. >> If we men start cribbing and listing out the gender discrimination that we >> are facing, you will be stunned! Just that we don't crib like you do. We men >> are treated as ATM machines, money-making machines and free security guards >> of society. Should there be a war, a natural calamity, disaster etc., it is >> we men who have to make the supreme sacrifice. Remember, in the titanic >> disaster, it is the women who were first rescued. 94% of all unnatural >> deaths in the world due to work, profession, wars and disasters are of men >> and not women. Punishment for the same crime is less for women. The list >> goes on.......... >> >> My point is that society seems to believe that women alone are the >> discriminated gender. You say that you are a gender rights activist. Why >> fight only for women? Fight for men's rights too! Afterall, there is >> deep-rooted antipathy and prejudice against men too. Men are considered the >> disposable gender. The problems of men is brushed under the carpet. Men have >> no rights. There is no concept of men's rights. The pain of a man is a joke >> for the society. (remember the way society laughs at a husband who is >> ill-treated by his wife). Yeah, this is the same 21st century attitude of >> society towards men. The same set of people who talk about Equality laugh at >> men who are ill-treated by women. >> >> Is this fair? >> >> Awaiting an early reply, >> >> Regards, >> Rohan >> www.savefamily. org >> www.saveindianfamil y.org >> www.mynation. net >> www.498a.org >> >> >> >> --- On *Fri, 25/6/10, giri kishore <girikishore@ yahoo.com>* wrote: >> >> >> From: giri kishore <girikishore@ yahoo.com> >> Subject: Re: [bm] Molestation >> To: bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Friday, 25 June, 2010, 10:53 AM >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* giri kishore <girikishore@ yahoo.com> >> *To:* bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com >> *Sent:* Thu, June 17, 2010 11:56:24 AM >> *Subject:* Re: [bm] Molestation >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Nutan Thakur <nutanthakurlko@ yahoo.in> >> *To:* bharatudaymission@ yahoogroups. com >> *Sent:* Sun, June 6, 2010 9:24:14 AM >> *Subject:* [bm] Molestation >> >> >> Friends, I present a live case before u. It started with my putting >> forth a small statement- ""A Lt General accused of molesting a Colonel's >> wife is thrown out of Army. Ye kya ho raha hai?" on the social networking >> site Facebook. To this there were different answers but the one that really >> stunned me was from a friend w...hose view was that- " No man can molest >> a woman , and that too a married woman of force ... NEVER , without her >> willing consent". He also says that - "I have always observed ... that this >> type of stupid behaviour is common in love affairs". >> It is this statement by an otherwise learned and sober person that I want >> to present before you all for discussion and opinion making. To me the >> person who made the statement is not important, nor is my idea to criticize >> him or to dissect his background. To me what really matters is the fact that >> even today, in the 21st Century, there is a male perception that goes on to >> say that molestation of a woman (particularly a married woman) is not >> possible (without her consent). If slightly extended this statement comes to >> mean that molestation, rape and such other lurid and heinous crimes against >> women are simply not possible as long as the women are not a party to it. >> Frankly I not only completely disagree with this statement but also find it >> absolutely sickening. And also terrifying. Terrifying because it is this >> kind of male mind-set that is responsible for many heinous and dangerous >> crimes against women go completely unheard and unpunished. What this >> gentleman is saying might as well be the mental thought process of the Judge >> or the Magistrate who has been given the responsibility of delivering >> Justice. And if the person has already made a presumption that there can't >> be a crime of this nature against a woman (more so in the case of married >> women), then one can understand what kind of justice is the woman going to >> get from the concerned court. >> We have seen the dramatic version of these situations in the celebrated >> film "Damini" where "Taarikh pe taarikh" could not give justice to the raped >> woman till the very end. We also know of such widely discussed cases on rape >> like the Mathura rape case and Bhanwari Devi case where victim had to pass >> through such insulting times even in the law courts that it led to great >> revolt and resistance by the women activists from all over India. But it >> seems that no change of law and regulations on Rape has been able to >> actually change the deep-rooted antipathy of this kind of people for whom >> women are nothing more than a plaything. >> If what these people say is true then what is the need of any law on Rape? >> Why have different sections on women abuse and molestation? I am not >> commenting at all on the case related with the Lt Genera in the Army where >> he lost his job due to the allegations made by a Colonel's wife. Each case >> is different and must be treated so. I also don't say that women don't feign >> wrong abuse. In my husband Amitabh ji's policing career, I have myself come >> across such cases where it was clear that the woman is making false >> accusations. I remember a case in Gagaha police station in Gorakhpur, when >> my husband was very new in the service and after a raid that he had >> conducted, the woman whom they had arrested with weapons had made written >> accusations of rape against 10-12 police officers, except luckily my >> husband. The matter got exposed within a day or two but it had given my >> husband a lot of mental harassment. >> But then to sweepingly generalize such a statement is really too much. In >> my opinion it shows the poor mental outlook and extremely biased world view >> of many of the male folk. It also gives the reason why still justice is >> being denied to one half of the human population in such a large measure. >> I as a social activist and a gender-rights activist not only strongly >> condemn such wrongly-placed mental outlook but also consider them extremely >> dangerous for the proper development and functioning of human society in a >> just manner. I know that such a statement by an individual is not really >> important, what actually counts is the overall gender perception. And this >> statement somehow seems to represent the same distorted gender perception >> >> Dr Nutan Thakur, >> Secretary, >> IRDS, >> Lucknow >> # 94155-34525 >> Nutan ji, >> the remark you have qouted is obnoxious. What about the minor girls who >> do not understand what sex is? Does he wants to say that those poor girls >> are also part of this hinoius activity. I consider it to be abnormality >> which has become rampant in last few years. It has to be tackled not only >> on Govt. level but also socially.I perfectly agree in some cases it may be >> true when it is man managed. I am happy you have raised this issue. If you >> wish you may write a detailed Art in Hindi for a Journal AKAR which I edit >> from Kanpur. giving all aspects of this malady. Thanks. >> Dr. Giriraj Kishore >> 11/3210 Souterganj Kanpur 1 >> >> I agree and respect your view in general but language needs to be >> convincing. Thanks. I am for all that what you have written but in my own >> way. No one has a right to molest any body e ven through words even, It >> comes under Hinsa. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Please don't print this e-mail unless you really need to. Save Paper - Save > Environment > -- > Mahek > > > >
