> Here we have exactly why I'm not a Democrat. 
> Michael
> Moore has expressed his desire that Americans in
> Iraq
> _die_.  He has said he _wants that to happen_.  The
> time when he made that statement was one when I was
> virtually certain that I was going to be one of
> those
> Americans, so I took it rather personally.

Likening all democrats to Michael Moore is like
likening all republicans to Howard Hunt and Gordon
Liddy.  It stinks.

Only Moore at least piles up tons of interesting
things on one side of the table.  Not all of it is
high quality and his inflamatory conspiracy theories
only hurt his case.  But watching GWB sit like a
pole-axed calf for 7 minutes, then go back to reading
a children's story, instead of taking command when the
9/11 news came... Jesus.

Fact is, our airwaves throng and hum with hundreds of
right wing Michael Moores.  You loathe him?  Multiply
that a hundred times with the propagandists slaving
away for Rupert Murdoch.

At least Moore has guts.


> 
> Americans who want other Americans to die at the
> hands
> of their enemies - I call them traitors.


Go ahead.  I don't disagree.  I also find your
interpretation of ambiguous language tendentious.

  What do
> you
> think about them, Doug?  You served in the military
> -
> how can you _live_ with yourself knowing that you're
> on his side. 

Oh, bugger off.  John Kerry killed people with his
bare hands to save comrades and to serve his flag.  He
saw war crimes.  He had the guts to come home and
decry them and warn that his country had fallen into a
trap.  Those are all patriotic in the direction you
claim to like, yet you will find excuses to disparage
them.

I NEVER did that.  But you guys will.  I always
honored Ronald Reagan for his core patriotism, for
example,  I revered Barry Goldwater  (who despised the
Clinton witch hunts, by the way.)

Everything you say is suspect because it is so
predictably along party lines.  Can't you even notice
that and feel sheepish about that?

MY SIDE MY SIDE MY SIDE!!!!!!!!!

Yesterday a few house republicans had the guts to
stand up and try to reverse some of the most horribly
Orwellian aspects of the Patriot Act.  They were
immolated by their "side".


 He wants your (former)
> comrades-in-arms
> to _die_.  I still might be going to Iraq later this
> summer, in which case I guess he _still_ wants me to
> die.  Judging by this list, that wouldn't bother
> most
> of the people on it.  But I would hope that
> expressing
> such a wish about those who are faithfully serving
> their country would put someone beyond the pale.

Oh wrap yourself in the bloody flag, sure.

But it;s all a distraction.  We are talking policy
here and these cretins have the policy of hurling good
boys to war based on lies.


> 
> I have occassionally commented about the level of
> hatred that you espouse for those who disagree with
> you as why I'm reluctant to discuss these things
> with
> you.  Here's why in a nutshell.  You may disagree
> with
> the President.  That's fine.  I might as well.  But
> I
> didn't hate Bill Clinton, and I can't imagine hating
> anyone so much that I'd line up with a traitor like
> Michael Moore 

Nu?  You line up with a traitor like Gordon Liddy...
who was proved a traitor in a court of law.


- line up with my an enemy of my
> country.  If you rejoined the Navy, Doug, just
> remember that by attending that movie you
> contributed
> money to someone who would want you dead.


This is unworthy of you Gautam.  

In any event, Moore would never get away with such a
film if the country weren't brimming with people just
as fed up as Doug & me.
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