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> It this point that I had in my mind. I would like to account simultaneously > for_all_ symmetry-equivalent intra-molecular Patterson vectors at once. Since > the intra-molecular Patterson vectors of all symmetry copies of the true > structure fall into the same sphere around the origin, any true orientation of > the search molecule will have its P1 Patterson self-vectors overlapping both > with the self-vectors of the corresponding true molecule, which will add to > the signal, _and_ with the self-vectors from its symmetry copies, which will > add to the noise. Fitting them all simultaneously by applying the rotational > symmetry of the space group to the P1 self-vectors of the search molecule > would result in a Patterson overlap with all self-vectors of the true > structure at once. This should enhance the signal-to-noise ratio of the > orientation search. > What do you and others think about this? Apologies for the unashamed plug, but multidimensional molecular replacement search methods (like Qs :-) do exactly what you described [plus more, since (in the vector-space-based metaphor) they simultaneously try to match all intra- and inter-molecular vectors, with the full crystallographic symmetry explicitly accounted for]. On a related side note, I believe that the major source of problems with the results from the cross rotation function is not overlapping self-vectors, but 'overlapping' cross-vectors. Nicholas -- Dr Nicholas M. Glykos, Department of Molecular Biology and Genetics, Democritus University of Thrace, Dimitras 19, 68100 Alexandroupolis, Greece, Fax ++302551030613 Tel ++302551030620 (77620), http://www.mbg.duth.gr/~glykos/