LOL. But it took Ford twenty years to learn that one. ;)

-Gary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 4:02 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
>
>
> Gary-
> Yup!
> That's why they make more than black Model-T Fords!
> You can drive what you want.
> (As long as you don't run anybody over <g>.)
> -Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:03 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:00 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> >
> >
> > I believe in BOTH creation and evolution -
> > God created, and God provided for evolution.
>
> Fine, that works for you. It is convenient that God get's to be
> that the top
> of anything that is "good" and "right", whatever that may be, and
> that Satan
> (or whatever) is at the bottom. Let's see, there is some
> symbolism here, if
> I can just ....
>
> >
> > Why does everybody think that a God who created an expanding
> > universe would create only static life forms?
>
> Why would anyone "believe" in a God (gods) for that matter. I mean, in a
> million years of human evolution he waited until about 5000 years
> ago to let
> us know he was around. (conveniently, about the time the first
> real need for
> controlling larger, growing populations of people came about)
>
> > That would be like pointing a webcam at a rock!
> >
> > Or, why believe that if it evolves, it has to be Godless?
>
> Or why "believe" it is NOT Godless?
>
> Both arguments are equal.
>
> -Gary
>
> >
> > -Ben
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephenie Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:32 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> >
> >
> > yeah, but see, one of the things you just said "evolution theory"
> > evolution
> > is now taught in most schools as fact, whereas when i was a kid
> in school,
> > it was just that...a theory, now in my childrens book it is no
> > longer listed
> > as a theory and no other "theories" are taught,  just evolution....
> >
> > ~~
> > steph
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:18 PM
> > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> >
> >
> > > All too true. Its far easier to have your thoughts and beliefs
> > handed down
> > > from on high than working them out for yourself. Moreover when schools
> > have
> > > tried to include sections on critical thinking the school
> > boards have been
> > > deluged with angry parents parroting what semi-educated fundimentalist
> > > essentially told them to say from in the pulpit that I've been
> > more than a
> > > bit disgusted. A wonderful example are the reoccurring
> debates regarding
> > > teaching evolutionary theory in the schools, and attempts to
> get schools
> > to
> > > teach creationism.
> > >
> > > larry
> > >
> > > --
> > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > EBStor.com
> > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > --
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:14 PM
> > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That seems to be growing in our country and around the world
> > > > Larry. In the
> > > > recent Scientific American they had survey that shows people
> > > > increasingly
> > > > believe that you can talk with the dead, etc. Was scary, frankly.
> > > >
> > > > Like this guy on the sci-fi channel that talks with the dead. John
> > > > something. It is soooo obvious that he is cold reading them,
> > > > not that that
> > > > is not impressive, it is a great skill, but we all do that in
> > > > a roundabout
> > > > way everyday, to a lesser degree. It is called eye contact and body
> > > > language. Watch how intently he watches the people and their
> > > > interactions
> > > > with each other.
> > > >
> > > > He does it in a way that makes people feel good about the
> > > > loose of a loved
> > > > one. You'll never hear him say, "Oh, yeah, no they are in
> > > > insufferable agony
> > > > from the burns they received as they died." He fishes
> > > > constantly. Watch it a
> > > > few times and look how often he says, "there name begins with
> > > > John, Jim,
> > > > something like J or G, I'm getting...." Uh, yeah. Like that
> > > > is not the most
> > > > common name in the US. I wonder if he can talk to dead
> people in their
> > > > native language? So when you die, and you go, um, whereever,
> > > > do we all talk
> > > > a common language? Is it English? French? Swahili? Would your
> > > > name still
> > > > sound like John in Hindustani? Hmmm. Amazing. I love the idea
> > > > of the dead
> > > > wanting to contact us, you know, to settle unfinished
> > > > business. Couldn't
> > > > they wait until we die to settle it? Like they have nothing
> > > > better to do. Or
> > > > maybe being dead is pretty boring.
> > > >
> > > > -Gary
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:14 PM
> > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure if its funny or sad, but Falwell and his followers
> > > > > really mean
> > > > > it. When I was teaching an intro psych course, at a community
> > > > > college in the
> > > > > area, I had a couple of students in the class from Liberty
> > > > > University. Real
> > > > > scary drones types, they had a lot of problems with
> > > > independent critical
> > > > > thinking.
> > > > >
> > > > > larry
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:01 PM
> > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > larry,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i'd like to thank you for giving me a good laugh on this
> > > > > > otherwise dull
> > > > > > monday afternoon.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > thanks, and have a good day yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > will
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:56
> > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BTW here's the article from his Liberty Journal:
> > > > > > http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/feb99/politics2.htm
> > > > > >
> > > > > > always good to go to the source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > larry
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:53 AM
> > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His reasoning was fairly amazing. Here's an account of it
> > > > > > > originally from
> > > > > > > CNN:
> > > > > > > http://www.gabrielmedia.org/news/falwell_teletubbies.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > larry
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:45 AM
> > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > Subject: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo??
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > haha
> > > > > > > > hahahahaha
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > seriously? this 'person' really does have too much time on
> > > > > > > > his hands. i
> > > > > > > > suppose mickey mouse was a dope fiend, pluto an alcoholic
> > > > > > > and minnie a
> > > > > > > > lesbian......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > oh well, the dangers of freedom of speech i guess.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:38
> > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One of his better ones was that he accused tinkywinky of the
> > > > > > > > teletubbies of
> > > > > > > > being gay.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > larry
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:28 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > yes will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > he sounds like a muppet with a capital M
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > but I think we have a few like him over here
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:27
> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WOW...this guy is far out.. i mean really really gone.
> > > > > > a christian
> > > > > > > > > fundamentalist, he must feel like he has alot in
> common with
> > > > > > > > > his Islamic
> > > > > > > > > counterparts.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > does he have a great deal of support?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > and why don't we have people like him in the uk?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > scared will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:17
> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > He's an extremist fundamentalist Baptist minister from
> > > > > > > > > Lynchburg Virginia
> > > > > > > > > (see Falwell.com or the Thomas Road Baptist
> Church website:
> > > > > > > > > http://www.trbc.org/) . Very right wing. He used to run a
> > > > > > > > > group called the
> > > > > > > > > Moral Majority in the 80's.  Along with Pat
> Robertson, he's
> > > > > > > > > the American
> > > > > > > > > equivalent of the Taleban.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > larry
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > > > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:09 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > lost now.....not american....who is jerry falwell????
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > is he like geri haliwell???
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > confused will
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:00
> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So .. not only is he a hatefull bigot, but he's
> > > > also a coward
> > > > > > > > > > who can't
> > > > > > > > > > stand by his statements.  I *might* have a
> > > > *little* respect
> > > > > > > > > > for the man if
> > > > > > > > > > he would at least stand up and say "Yeah, I
> said it and I
> > > > > > > > > > don't care what
> > > > > > > > > > you think, so screw you too!".  Heh .. then again,
> > > > > > probably not.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Todd
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:30 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Just look at jerry falwell. Aside from his wonderful
> > > > > > > > > > "mistatements" from
> > > > > > > > > > > last September, now he's saying he was
> misquoted by the
> > > > > > > > > > liberal media.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons
> > > > > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer
> > > > > > > > > > > EBStor.com
> > > > > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204
> > > > > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795
> > > > > > > > > > > tel:   (703) 393-7930
> > > > > > > > > > > fax:   (703) 393-2659
> > > > > > > > > > > Web:   http://www.ebstor.com
> > > > > > > > > > >        http://www.pacel.com
> > > > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done.
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