Gary- Yup! That's why they make more than black Model-T Fords! You can drive what you want. (As long as you don't run anybody over <g>.) -Ben
-----Original Message----- From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 2:03 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > -----Original Message----- > From: Braver, Ben [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:00 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > I believe in BOTH creation and evolution - > God created, and God provided for evolution. Fine, that works for you. It is convenient that God get's to be that the top of anything that is "good" and "right", whatever that may be, and that Satan (or whatever) is at the bottom. Let's see, there is some symbolism here, if I can just .... > > Why does everybody think that a God who created an expanding > universe would create only static life forms? Why would anyone "believe" in a God (gods) for that matter. I mean, in a million years of human evolution he waited until about 5000 years ago to let us know he was around. (conveniently, about the time the first real need for controlling larger, growing populations of people came about) > That would be like pointing a webcam at a rock! > > Or, why believe that if it evolves, it has to be Godless? Or why "believe" it is NOT Godless? Both arguments are equal. -Gary > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephenie Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:32 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > yeah, but see, one of the things you just said "evolution theory" > evolution > is now taught in most schools as fact, whereas when i was a kid in school, > it was just that...a theory, now in my childrens book it is no > longer listed > as a theory and no other "theories" are taught, just evolution.... > > ~~ > steph > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:18 PM > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > All too true. Its far easier to have your thoughts and beliefs > handed down > > from on high than working them out for yourself. Moreover when schools > have > > tried to include sections on critical thinking the school > boards have been > > deluged with angry parents parroting what semi-educated fundimentalist > > essentially told them to say from in the pulpit that I've been > more than a > > bit disgusted. A wonderful example are the reoccurring debates regarding > > teaching evolutionary theory in the schools, and attempts to get schools > to > > teach creationism. > > > > larry > > > > -- > > Larry C. Lyons > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > EBStor.com > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > http://www.pacel.com > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > -- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gary P. McNeel, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 3:14 PM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > That seems to be growing in our country and around the world > > > Larry. In the > > > recent Scientific American they had survey that shows people > > > increasingly > > > believe that you can talk with the dead, etc. Was scary, frankly. > > > > > > Like this guy on the sci-fi channel that talks with the dead. John > > > something. It is soooo obvious that he is cold reading them, > > > not that that > > > is not impressive, it is a great skill, but we all do that in > > > a roundabout > > > way everyday, to a lesser degree. It is called eye contact and body > > > language. Watch how intently he watches the people and their > > > interactions > > > with each other. > > > > > > He does it in a way that makes people feel good about the > > > loose of a loved > > > one. You'll never hear him say, "Oh, yeah, no they are in > > > insufferable agony > > > from the burns they received as they died." He fishes > > > constantly. Watch it a > > > few times and look how often he says, "there name begins with > > > John, Jim, > > > something like J or G, I'm getting...." Uh, yeah. Like that > > > is not the most > > > common name in the US. I wonder if he can talk to dead people in their > > > native language? So when you die, and you go, um, whereever, > > > do we all talk > > > a common language? Is it English? French? Swahili? Would your > > > name still > > > sound like John in Hindustani? Hmmm. Amazing. I love the idea > > > of the dead > > > wanting to contact us, you know, to settle unfinished > > > business. Couldn't > > > they wait until we die to settle it? Like they have nothing > > > better to do. Or > > > maybe being dead is pretty boring. > > > > > > -Gary > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:14 PM > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if its funny or sad, but Falwell and his followers > > > > really mean > > > > it. When I was teaching an intro psych course, at a community > > > > college in the > > > > area, I had a couple of students in the class from Liberty > > > > University. Real > > > > scary drones types, they had a lot of problems with > > > independent critical > > > > thinking. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > EBStor.com > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 12:01 PM > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry, > > > > > > > > > > i'd like to thank you for giving me a good laugh on this > > > > > otherwise dull > > > > > monday afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > thanks, and have a good day yourself. > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:56 > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW here's the article from his Liberty Journal: > > > > > http://www.liberty.edu/chancellor/nlj/feb99/politics2.htm > > > > > > > > > > always good to go to the source. > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:53 AM > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > Subject: RE: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His reasoning was fairly amazing. Here's an account of it > > > > > > originally from > > > > > > CNN: > > > > > > http://www.gabrielmedia.org/news/falwell_teletubbies.html > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:45 AM > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: fallwell is a nutter - happy geo?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > haha > > > > > > > hahahahaha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seriously? this 'person' really does have too much time on > > > > > > > his hands. i > > > > > > > suppose mickey mouse was a dope fiend, pluto an alcoholic > > > > > > and minnie a > > > > > > > lesbian...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh well, the dangers of freedom of speech i guess. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:38 > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One of his better ones was that he accused tinkywinky of the > > > > > > > teletubbies of > > > > > > > being gay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Mark Smyth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he sounds like a muppet with a capital M > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I think we have a few like him over here > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:27 > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WOW...this guy is far out.. i mean really really gone. > > > > > a christian > > > > > > > > fundamentalist, he must feel like he has alot in common with > > > > > > > > his Islamic > > > > > > > > counterparts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does he have a great deal of support? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why don't we have people like him in the uk? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > scared will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Larry Lyons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:17 > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He's an extremist fundamentalist Baptist minister from > > > > > > > > Lynchburg Virginia > > > > > > > > (see Falwell.com or the Thomas Road Baptist Church website: > > > > > > > > http://www.trbc.org/) . Very right wing. He used to run a > > > > > > > > group called the > > > > > > > > Moral Majority in the 80's. Along with Pat Robertson, he's > > > > > > > > the American > > > > > > > > equivalent of the Taleban. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Larry C. Lyons > > > > > > > > ColdFusion/Web Developer > > > > > > > > EBStor.com > > > > > > > > 8870 Rixlew Lane, Suite 204 > > > > > > > > Manassas, Virginia 20109-3795 > > > > > > > > tel: (703) 393-7930 > > > > > > > > fax: (703) 393-2659 > > > > > > > > Web: http://www.ebstor.com > > > > > > > > http://www.pacel.com > > > > > > > > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > Chaos, panic, and disorder - my work here is done. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Will Swain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 11:09 AM > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lost now.....not american....who is jerry falwell???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is he like geri haliwell??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > confused will > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > Sent: 29 October 2001 16:00 > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So .. not only is he a hatefull bigot, but he's > > > also a coward > > > > > > > > > who can't > > > > > > > > > stand by his statements. I *might* have a > > > *little* respect > > > > > > > > > for the man if > > > > > > > > > he would at least stand up and say "Yeah, I said it and I > > > > > > > > > don't care what > > > > > > > > > you think, so screw you too!". Heh .. then again, > > > > > probably not. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > From: "Larry Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2001 10:30 AM > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Re[2]: beauuuuutiful friday > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just look at jerry falwell. Aside from his wonderful > > > > > > > > > "mistatements" from > > > > > > > > > > last September, now he's saying he was misquoted by the > > > > > > > > > liberal media. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Larry C. 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