replies also inline :)

On 12/15/05, Tim Heald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Replies inline.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tony [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > is there a right answer?
> > im not sure there is.
>
> At least you sound reasonable.

yes, i try to be. im a buddhist by nature, and catholic by birth

>
> > seems to have more facets than a finely cut diamond.
> > is bush all to blame for what is going on now... not really,
> > but as the president he chose to wear that hat.
>
> I don't see how Bush can be given any blame for either 911 or Afghanistan,
> hell I don't think it can be laid at Clinton's feet, I think we need to go
> back to Carter and Regan, and see what they did.  See what their options
> were at the time, and see what we could have done differently.
> Realistically there were bigger things than Afghanistan being fought over in
> that country.  It was the cold war made small.  We did what we could,
> without provoking a nuclear respones.

i do not blame him for either of the first two. and yes i agree.

>
> > i would never choose to wear that hat, too much responsibilty
> > and chance for job failure.  as we are watching now.
>
> I hear that.
>
> > so, im not sure there is a right answer tim.  im just not.
> > we were really put in a tough situation. fight a war against
> > an army with no nation.  fight a war against a people who
> > know sense of reality.  fight a war against people who are
> > not only driven by differences of opinion, but differences in
> > culture, and religion-- big divide there.
>
> Sit back and take it?  Allow them to turn out more anti-american warriors?

fuck no. but figure out a plan, in a reasonable amount of time
and go with a better plan.

>
> > but im sure you like most of us, can agree that we probably
> > could have taken a small step back, REALLY evaluate the
> > situation with GOOD rock solid intelligence, make quick
> > precise strikes and move on.  but i think we stumbled into
> > the party like a big buffoon with no control of his arms or
> > legs, drunk like a sailor.
> > cavalier in style and seemingly wanton in course of action. i
> > just think we could have maybe had a bit more tact.  i dont know.
>
> You don't think we knew what was going on there?  Shit we took that country
> with less than 100 men.  The problem we made in Afghanistan wasn't tactical,
> it was strategic.  We took control of American forces in that theater away
> from Special Forces and gave it to the convential army.  When we did that
> the Provincial Reconstruction Teams became less important, winning hearts
> and minds became less important, and bodies became more important, because
> that's what the conventional army knows.

why was that decision made? and by whom?

>
> > tw
>
>
> 

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