and for the record, im not a homophobe, i used to be, im a reformed
homophobe if you will.
i think its incredibly fucking weird, but to each his/her/confused own.  its
the science behind it that i argue for. i think :)

anyway, back to your regularly scheduled debate!

tw

On 3/13/06, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But morals and right from wrong IS completely subjective.
>
> It is subjective on an individual level, and it is subjective at a
> societal level.
>
> There are no absolutes in right and wrong. I personally believe it is
> RIGHT and moral to kill a child rapist. Completely right. No question
> about it right. Others don't think so.
>
> We are lucky enough to live at a time and place when most people agree
> on what is moral (right and wrong), but that does not mean that other
> people don't disagree.
>
> And never try to equate legal and moral. You'll drive yourself nuts
> and it won't do any good.
>
>
> On 3/13/06, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ah those aren't morals. Morals is right vs wrong. Some people believe
> > something is acceptable, but that doesn't make it right.
> >
> > Going to war is morally wrong, however, we sometimes accept the moral
> > low road to ensure that the good guys don't win. As humans we make a
> > choice to do the right thing or the wrong thing. We accept the
> > consequences of our actions internally and externally.
> >
> > I don't think homosexuality is immoral, I don't think it is right or
> > wrong. It just is.
> >
> > Is it wrong to kill somebody, yes, is it immoral, yes, do we do it at
> > times because we think it is needed to ensure survival of our selves or
> > others. Yes, should we change that? No.
> >
> > Self Defense is a good example. Just because human law allows for things
> > like self defense, but the individual must live with it.
>
> 

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