> I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. Its not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way of christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving people.
So why do not ever mention those people? Why do insist on painting Christians as being a bunch of intolerant bigots? Honestly, look at your last post. You dedicate one sentence to the type of Christians that are indicative of MOST Christians. You dedicate 7 sentences to the contrary. If you were me, what would you think your impression of Christians are? You contend that the fundamentalist Christians are the ones who want their religious beliefs made into law and that most of the US is Christian. But the rest of the Christians don't think this way. Do you get what I'm saying? Michael Corrigan Programmer Endora Digital Solutions 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 Lombard, IL 60148 630/627-5200 x-136 630/627-5255 Fax ----- Original Message ----- From: BethF To: CF-Community Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Church and State Michael, I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. Its not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way of christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving people. And then there is the other kind. The kind who judges everyone else and points fingers about who is going to hell. A guy at work recently told me that gay people shouldn't be allowed to be teachers because they try to convert children to homosexuality, which is the work of the devil. This is truly, a heinous thing to say - like saying every xtian teacher tries to convert their students to xtianity (although I did have one teacher tell me I could be a jew for jesus and still be saved - in public school). The kind that doesn't understand that leading children in christian prayer in school isn't right or fair to the other children. The kind that think that their religious beliefs should be made into law. These types of people exist in every religion, but in the US the majority of folks are christian. --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) Anchorage, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:38 AM Subject: Re: Church and State > I've had other Christian denominations tell me that I was going to burn > in hell too. Fortunately for me I can see them for what they are. I > cannot comment on what Baptists, Protestants, Lutherans, or the thousand > other Christian denominations preach. I was commenting on my > experiences as a Catholic and what the Catholic church teaches. The > Catholic church does not teach people to be intolerant of others, but to > embrace them. Not to convert them but to live peacefully side by side > together. What is unfortunate is that you can't see past that. You > would rather use that experience to define Christians rather than the > possibly thousands of other positive experiences that you may have had > with other Christians. I'll bet that if you really think about it, you > know more Christians who are good, honest, and respectful people than > you know that are indicative of the one that you highlighted in your > e-mail. > > And not related to your response Ben or directed at you but as a general > comment; just because someone is religious (regardless of Christianity, > Muslim, Buddhist, Judaism, et al) does not automatically make them nice > people or that they do good things. Also, because that person belongs to > a certain religion doesn't mean that that religion teaches things that > are reflective of that persons actions. Since Sept. 11th, we as a > country have made a concerted effort for those, not only in our country > but those outside that we don't equate Islam with the Taliban or the > terrorists. They are, in essence, mutually exclusive. That same way of > thinking can be extended to other religions as well. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630/627-5200 x-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Braver, Ben > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:48 PM > Subject: RE: Church and State > > > Michael, > > I've been lurking on this thread, but I have to respond to something > you > said: > > I have not only been proselytized by Christians, but I actually had a > next-door neighbor who knew very well that I was Jewish tell me that I > was > going to burn in Hell because I didn't accept Jesus Christ as my Lord > and > personal Savior. > > I replied to her that I pitied her for her intolerance, not > recognizing that > I read the Bible and pray to God. Also about her forgetting that Jesus > was > born, lived, and died a Jew. The Last Supper was a Passover Seder. > > I have never EVER had someone of another (non-Christian) faith thrust > their > beliefs at me and dare to tell me I'm damned because I don't share > their > belief structure. > > And yes I think it's the people like Robertson, Falwell, etc. who are > proponents of this closed-minded, bigoted attitude. > I am very VERY afraid of people like this getting power, because look > what > happens to our religious freedoms in this "Christian God-fearing > country". > > -Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:27 AM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > Nick, > > You're wasting your breath man. It's not about prayer in the > classroom or even about religion in schools. She even said it > herself, > it is NOT about religion in school, it's about Christianity in > schools. > The debate is based on a dislike of Christianity. The dislike of > Christianity stems from a dislike of people like Robertson and Falwell > > and the Christian fundamentalism that was fought in the 50's and 60's. > > They see them and the Crusades and say that Christianity is bad and > lumps all Christians with them. It's disingenuous and close minded > and > not really worth the time. > > Michael Corrigan > Programmer > Endora Digital Solutions > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > Lombard, IL 60148 > 630/627-5200 x-136 > 630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nick McClure > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:12 PM > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > No what is being said is that any group should be allowed to use a > public > building so long as it does not interfere with the purpose of that > building, their intentions are legal, and there is enough space to > accommodate them. > > >No, what is being said is that no one religion has the right to > force > their > >presence on others in a forum funded by taxpayer money, i.e. by the > > >government. > > > >And again, you are mixing religion and Christianity, because no > other > >religion is demanding the right to pray or teach their dogma in > public > >schools. > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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