I'm sending this over to a list of SF writers, editors, etc. that I'm part of. I'd like to hear from the head of the Klingon language institute on this. Knowing him, there could be a real Klingon programming language in the future. :)
At 03:38 PM 1/28/02, you wrote: >Well check this out http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/ > >The first ever Klingon Programming language. > >Give a new meaning to creating a "Killer App" huh? > ><cf_rimshot> > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:33 PM >To: CF-Community >Subject: Re: Church and State > > >> I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. >Its >not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way of >christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving >people. > >So why do not ever mention those people? Why do insist on painting >Christians as being a bunch of intolerant bigots? Honestly, look at >your last post. You dedicate one sentence to the type of Christians that >are indicative of MOST Christians. You dedicate 7 sentences to the >contrary. If you were me, what would you think your impression of >Christians are? You contend that the fundamentalist Christians are the >ones who want their religious beliefs made into law and that most of the >US is Christian. But the rest of the Christians don't think this way. >Do you get what I'm saying? > > >Michael Corrigan >Programmer >Endora Digital Solutions >1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 >Lombard, IL 60148 >630/627-5200 x-136 >630/627-5255 Fax > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BethF > To: CF-Community > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:53 PM > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > Michael, > I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. >Its > not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way >of > christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving >people. > > And then there is the other kind. The kind who judges everyone else >and > points fingers about who is going to hell. A guy at work recently >told me > that gay people shouldn't be allowed to be teachers because they try >to > convert children to homosexuality, which is the work of the devil. >This is > truly, a heinous thing to say - like saying every xtian teacher tries >to > convert their students to xtianity (although I did have one teacher >tell me > I could be a jew for jesus and still be saved - in public school). >The kind > that doesn't understand that leading children in christian prayer in >school > isn't right or fair to the other children. The kind that think that >their > religious beliefs should be made into law. These types of people >exist in > every religion, but in the US the majority of folks are christian. > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:38 AM > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > I've had other Christian denominations tell me that I was going to >burn > > in hell too. Fortunately for me I can see them for what they are. >I > > cannot comment on what Baptists, Protestants, Lutherans, or the >thousand > > other Christian denominations preach. I was commenting on my > > experiences as a Catholic and what the Catholic church teaches. The > > Catholic church does not teach people to be intolerant of others, >but to > > embrace them. Not to convert them but to live peacefully side by >side > > together. What is unfortunate is that you can't see past that. You > > would rather use that experience to define Christians rather than >the > > possibly thousands of other positive experiences that you may have >had > > with other Christians. I'll bet that if you really think about it, >you > > know more Christians who are good, honest, and respectful people >than > > you know that are indicative of the one that you highlighted in your > > e-mail. > > > > And not related to your response Ben or directed at you but as a >general > > comment; just because someone is religious (regardless of >Christianity, > > Muslim, Buddhist, Judaism, et al) does not automatically make them >nice > > people or that they do good things. Also, because that person >belongs to > > a certain religion doesn't mean that that religion teaches things >that > > are reflective of that persons actions. Since Sept. 11th, we as a > > country have made a concerted effort for those, not only in our >country > > but those outside that we don't equate Islam with the Taliban or the > > terrorists. They are, in essence, mutually exclusive. That same >way of > > thinking can be extended to other religions as well. > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > 630/627-5200 x-136 > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Braver, Ben > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:48 PM > > Subject: RE: Church and State > > > > > > Michael, > > > > I've been lurking on this thread, but I have to respond to >something > > you > > said: > > > > I have not only been proselytized by Christians, but I actually >had a > > next-door neighbor who knew very well that I was Jewish tell me >that I > > was > > going to burn in Hell because I didn't accept Jesus Christ as my >Lord > > and > > personal Savior. > > > > I replied to her that I pitied her for her intolerance, not > > recognizing that > > I read the Bible and pray to God. Also about her forgetting that >Jesus > > was > > born, lived, and died a Jew. The Last Supper was a Passover Seder. > > > > I have never EVER had someone of another (non-Christian) faith >thrust > > their > > beliefs at me and dare to tell me I'm damned because I don't share > > their > > belief structure. > > > > And yes I think it's the people like Robertson, Falwell, etc. who >are > > proponents of this closed-minded, bigoted attitude. > > I am very VERY afraid of people like this getting power, because >look > > what > > happens to our religious freedoms in this "Christian God-fearing > > country". > > > > -Ben > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:27 AM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > Nick, > > > > You're wasting your breath man. It's not about prayer in the > > classroom or even about religion in schools. She even said it > > herself, > > it is NOT about religion in school, it's about Christianity in > > schools. > > The debate is based on a dislike of Christianity. The dislike of > > Christianity stems from a dislike of people like Robertson and >Falwell > > > > and the Christian fundamentalism that was fought in the 50's and >60's. > > > > They see them and the Crusades and say that Christianity is bad >and > > lumps all Christians with them. It's disingenuous and close >minded > > and > > not really worth the time. > > > > Michael Corrigan > > Programmer > > Endora Digital Solutions > > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > 630/627-5200 x-136 > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Nick McClure > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:12 PM > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > No what is being said is that any group should be allowed to use >a > > public > > building so long as it does not interfere with the purpose of >that > > building, their intentions are legal, and there is enough space >to > > accommodate them. > > > > >No, what is being said is that no one religion has the right to > > force > > their > > >presence on others in a forum funded by taxpayer money, i.e. by >the > > > > >government. > > > > > >And again, you are mixing religion and Christianity, because no > > other > > >religion is demanding the right to pray or teach their dogma in > > public > > >schools. > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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