http://slashdot.org/developers/02/02/04/0229240.shtml
Just noticed this on /. and remembered this thread... -Cameron -------------------- Cameron Childress elliptIQ Inc. p.770.460.1035.232 f.770.460.0963 -- http://www.neighborware.com America's Leading Community Network Software > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:49 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Klingon Code RE: Church and State > > > I'm sending this over to a list of SF writers, editors, etc. that > I'm part of. I'd like to hear from the head of the Klingon > language institute on this. Knowing him, there could be a real > Klingon programming language in the future. :) > > At 03:38 PM 1/28/02, you wrote: > >Well check this out http://www.geocities.com/connorbd/varaq/ > > > >The first ever Klingon Programming language. > > > >Give a new meaning to creating a "Killer App" huh? > > > ><cf_rimshot> > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > >Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:33 PM > >To: CF-Community > >Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > >> I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. > >Its > >not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way of > >christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving > >people. > > > >So why do not ever mention those people? Why do insist on painting > >Christians as being a bunch of intolerant bigots? Honestly, look at > >your last post. You dedicate one sentence to the type of Christians that > >are indicative of MOST Christians. You dedicate 7 sentences to the > >contrary. If you were me, what would you think your impression of > >Christians are? You contend that the fundamentalist Christians are the > >ones who want their religious beliefs made into law and that most of the > >US is Christian. But the rest of the Christians don't think this way. > >Do you get what I'm saying? > > > > > >Michael Corrigan > >Programmer > >Endora Digital Solutions > >1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > >Lombard, IL 60148 > >630/627-5200 x-136 > >630/627-5255 Fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: BethF > > To: CF-Community > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 1:53 PM > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > Michael, > > I think the problem is that you have never been a minority in the us. > >Its > > not a dislike of christians at all, in fact folks who follow the way > >of > > christ REALLY, are people whom I consider to be wonderful, loving > >people. > > > > And then there is the other kind. The kind who judges everyone else > >and > > points fingers about who is going to hell. A guy at work recently > >told me > > that gay people shouldn't be allowed to be teachers because they try > >to > > convert children to homosexuality, which is the work of the devil. > >This is > > truly, a heinous thing to say - like saying every xtian teacher tries > >to > > convert their students to xtianity (although I did have one teacher > >tell me > > I could be a jew for jesus and still be saved - in public school). > >The kind > > that doesn't understand that leading children in christian prayer in > >school > > isn't right or fair to the other children. The kind that think that > >their > > religious beliefs should be made into law. These types of people > >exist in > > every religion, but in the US the majority of folks are christian. > > > > > > > > --Beth, Pseudo usenet cop > > Merlin MTB, BikeE AT, RANS gliss, Trek R200, Kickbike > > Owned by Kavik (Samoyed Boy) and Toklat (Keeshond Boy) > > Anchorage, Alaska > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:38 AM > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > > I've had other Christian denominations tell me that I was going to > >burn > > > in hell too. Fortunately for me I can see them for what they are. > >I > > > cannot comment on what Baptists, Protestants, Lutherans, or the > >thousand > > > other Christian denominations preach. I was commenting on my > > > experiences as a Catholic and what the Catholic church teaches. The > > > Catholic church does not teach people to be intolerant of others, > >but to > > > embrace them. Not to convert them but to live peacefully side by > >side > > > together. What is unfortunate is that you can't see past that. You > > > would rather use that experience to define Christians rather than > >the > > > possibly thousands of other positive experiences that you may have > >had > > > with other Christians. I'll bet that if you really think about it, > >you > > > know more Christians who are good, honest, and respectful people > >than > > > you know that are indicative of the one that you highlighted in your > > > e-mail. > > > > > > And not related to your response Ben or directed at you but as a > >general > > > comment; just because someone is religious (regardless of > >Christianity, > > > Muslim, Buddhist, Judaism, et al) does not automatically make them > >nice > > > people or that they do good things. Also, because that person > >belongs to > > > a certain religion doesn't mean that that religion teaches things > >that > > > are reflective of that persons actions. Since Sept. 11th, we as a > > > country have made a concerted effort for those, not only in our > >country > > > but those outside that we don't equate Islam with the Taliban or the > > > terrorists. They are, in essence, mutually exclusive. That same > >way of > > > thinking can be extended to other religions as well. > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > > 630/627-5200 x-136 > > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Braver, Ben > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:48 PM > > > Subject: RE: Church and State > > > > > > > > > Michael, > > > > > > I've been lurking on this thread, but I have to respond to > >something > > > you > > > said: > > > > > > I have not only been proselytized by Christians, but I actually > >had a > > > next-door neighbor who knew very well that I was Jewish tell me > >that I > > > was > > > going to burn in Hell because I didn't accept Jesus Christ as my > >Lord > > > and > > > personal Savior. > > > > > > I replied to her that I pitied her for her intolerance, not > > > recognizing that > > > I read the Bible and pray to God. Also about her forgetting that > >Jesus > > > was > > > born, lived, and died a Jew. The Last Supper was a Passover Seder. > > > > > > I have never EVER had someone of another (non-Christian) faith > >thrust > > > their > > > beliefs at me and dare to tell me I'm damned because I don't share > > > their > > > belief structure. > > > > > > And yes I think it's the people like Robertson, Falwell, etc. who > >are > > > proponents of this closed-minded, bigoted attitude. > > > I am very VERY afraid of people like this getting power, because > >look > > > what > > > happens to our religious freedoms in this "Christian God-fearing > > > country". > > > > > > -Ben > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:27 AM > > > To: CF-Community > > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > > > > Nick, > > > > > > You're wasting your breath man. It's not about prayer in the > > > classroom or even about religion in schools. She even said it > > > herself, > > > it is NOT about religion in school, it's about Christianity in > > > schools. > > > The debate is based on a dislike of Christianity. The dislike of > > > Christianity stems from a dislike of people like Robertson and > >Falwell > > > > > > and the Christian fundamentalism that was fought in the 50's and > >60's. > > > > > > They see them and the Crusades and say that Christianity is bad > >and > > > lumps all Christians with them. It's disingenuous and close > >minded > > > and > > > not really worth the time. > > > > > > Michael Corrigan > > > Programmer > > > Endora Digital Solutions > > > 1900 S. Highland Avenue, Suite 200 > > > Lombard, IL 60148 > > > 630/627-5200 x-136 > > > 630/627-5255 Fax > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Nick McClure > > > To: CF-Community > > > Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 12:12 PM > > > Subject: Re: Church and State > > > > > > > > > No what is being said is that any group should be allowed to use > >a > > > public > > > building so long as it does not interfere with the purpose of > >that > > > building, their intentions are legal, and there is enough space > >to > > > accommodate them. > > > > > > >No, what is being said is that no one religion has the right to > > > force > > > their > > > >presence on others in a forum funded by taxpayer money, i.e. by > >the > > > > > > >government. > > > > > > > >And again, you are mixing religion and Christianity, because no > > > other > > > >religion is demanding the right to pray or teach their dogma in > > > public > > > >schools. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ Macromedia ColdFusion 5 Training from the Source Step by Step ColdFusion http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0201758474/houseoffusion Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
