Actually, H, the zionist movement is largely secular!! Lots of totally non
religious jews.  In fact, I was born of a zionist secular youth group.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Owens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2002 5:40 PM
Subject: RE: Why (Re: They invaded! 0_0)


> Some of the things about the creation of Israel makes it sound like the
Jews had no say in the matter.
>
> That's not the history I learned.
>
> Religious Jews wanted to return to the Holy Land so they can rebuild the
temple. That is, I believe, still the goal of Israel. What I learned is that
Jews (at least some) believe that the Messiah cannot come until the Temple
is rebuilt. Also, the Jews cannot perform certain rituals until the Temple
is rebuilt.
>
> Christian believe (at least some) that there will be no Second Coming of
Christ until the Temple is rebuilt.
>
> H.
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> from: Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 18:03:31 -0500
>
> >If there we easy answers we wouldn't be discussing it.
> >
> >Yes when that happened a number of things changed for a number of people.
> >What I was trying to get across, was that the people there were for some
> >reason forced to move. They may not have been held at gun point but for
> >some reason they felt they just couldn't stay there.
> >
> >This has caused a lot of anger from a lot of different people. I am only
> >trying to answer the question why as best I can. Were these things right,
> >of course not, I don't think that many people will argue it once you look
> >down and see there are real people.
> >
> >But Todd asked why? Why are the Palestinians upset, and why are the other
> >Arab nations upset. I just set forth what believe to be the facts.
> >
> >At the end of WWII The Christians controlling the Treaty process decided
to
> >move the Jews now homeless due to the Holocaust, and not wanting to go
back
> >for obvious reasons to Palestine, instead of keeping the country the way
it
> >was, the created a new Country and called it Israel.
> >
> >Many Palestinians living there felt they had to move away, and resented
> >what was happening. They left the area, some went to Palestine, some went
> >to other countries as Refugees.
> >
> >These other countries were angered because of the refugees, so in 1967
they
> >prepared to attack, so they can get the refugees off their land.
> >
> >Israel was prepared for battle, and the US and other countries were able
to
> >get all side to back down.
> >
> >This puts us to today. The hatred is still there.
> >
> >
> >>I don't have any easy answers, sir...
> >>
> >>-Ben
> >
> >
> 
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