As best as I can figure, the Yes on 8 people quite brilliantly reframed the debate, introducing the lies that:
1) children would be forced to learn about gay marriage starting in kindergarten, and 2) churches would lose their tax-exempt status if they refused to perform marriages for same-sex couples. Both of these statements are demonstrably untrue, but the No on 8 campaign was so horribly mismanaged that they weren't able to combat the much-better funded Yes on 8 campaign. It's kind of sad, actually. Money from a huge number of churches, many from out of state, was used to take away rights that had been hard-fought. My partner and I had originally considered going out to California to get married next year, but for obvious reasons we're going to have to go to Boston instead. David Churvis -----Original Message----- From: G Money [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 12:17 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: the list Why would someone give away their hard earned money to try and deny simply rights to people who's actions in no way infringe on their own lives? I simply cannot wrap my head around such a stupid idea...... On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 11:08 AM, David Churvis < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You and I disagree on whether the epithets at the Palin rally were real, > but > that's immaterial to this. I've already said that anyone who uses racial > epithets is wrong, and I do care about this issue. I can't fault you for > thinking that "nobody seems to care", but let me assure you that there has > been plenty of attention devoted to this problem within the gay media, as > well as during the rallies on Saturday. > > And there is nothing McCarthy-like about this boycott at all. McCarthy was > trumping up untrue charges against people based on no evidence whatsoever, > ruining careers in the process by associating people with what was at that > time the most evil thing imaginable to most people, namely Communism. In > this case, someone found an actual, verifiable list of donors, and has > posted the list so that people can be aware of what individuals and > businesses supported Prop 8, so that people can make an informed decision > about where to send their business. There is no persecution, no one is > being unfairly targeted, no one is having their lives ruined by baseless > speculation. > > David Churvis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 11:54 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: the list > > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 6:35 AM, David Churvis > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone who uses racial epithets in any context is misguided, and should > not > > be assumed to speak for the gay community, just like right-wing > > fundamentalists who use racial epithets should not be assumed to speak > for > > the Christian community. I will say that at the rally I attended on > > Saturday, I heard nothing of the sort, and I highly doubt that this > behavior > > was the norm. > > The racial epithets at the Palin rally were not real, yet it was a big > issue about how she encouraged hatred. > These are real and yes they probably are few, but nobody seems to care. > > > > And honestly, calling a boycott hate is patently ridiculous. We don't > want > > to support businesses that would help the fight to take away our rights, > > just as I'm sure you wouldn't want to support businesses that fight to > give > > us all the rights we feel we deserve. > > I didn't mention hate. Boycotts are fine, I participate myself > sometimes. My concern is targeting individuals and boycotting the > business based on an employee's donation. That sounds like > McCarthyism, the term the left trots out so often until they do it. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to date Get the Free Trial http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;207172674;29440083;f Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:280550 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
