I was barely into IT at that point. 9/10/2001 was my first day in my
new career as a 'Web Developer/Assistant Network Administrator'.

On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
<zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> you must have been a lot more productive back then :) I know I was
> before I found this list
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure. I did not even know this list existed then. :D
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
>> <zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't remember a lot of vitriol towards bush when the shoe bomber
>>> was stopped.  Wouldn't that be more analogous to the current
>>> situation?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:52 AM, G Money <gm0n3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:43 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of outrage.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I said, if this happened last year, there would be quite a few
>>>>> posts blaming/slamming Bush. Instead we get, 'yea, well it technically
>>>>> is his fault, but you know, he has been kind of busy'
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I actually disagree. I don't think we'd be seeing a lot of posts blaming
>>>> Bush or flippin' out. People try to blow up airplanes. We try to stop them.
>>>> Sometimes....they get through. We need to keep our calm.
>>>>
>>>> Its the typical my side is right, your side is wrong bullshit we see
>>>>> here (and in politics in general) every damn day, and it annoys the
>>>>> piss out of me.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I honestly don't see where you are getting this.....???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Do I really think its Obama's fault? Not really. Yes, he is where the
>>>>> 'buck stops', but to think he has knowledge of every little detail of
>>>>> everything our government does is ridiculous, (and I thought it was
>>>>> ridiculous when Bush was in office as well). However, it has become
>>>>> obvious that the issues we had with inter-agency sharing of
>>>>> information in 2001 still exist, to some extent, today. And that is
>>>>> where I think Obamas responsibilities lie.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok....i think we all agree with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Did he personally know this problem still existed? I don't know.
>>>>> Should he have known? I would like to think so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps i'm flippant about this because I've always considered airport
>>>> security to be nothing but a smoke screen. Designed to construct this
>>>> illusion to the people that they are 100% safe when they fly. I get no 
>>>> sense
>>>> of security from them, nor will I chastize them when something like this
>>>> happens.
>>>>
>>>> You are MUCH more likely to die in your car on your way home from work
>>>> tonight, than you are getting on an airplane that is going to be blown up.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> But, now that we know it still exists...fix the fucking thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or don't.....whatever. Just not a big deal...but I know I'm in the minority
>>>> on this.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, and its nice to know that the stupid TSA rules that are doled out
>>>>> after incidents like this are just as ridiculous under Obama as they
>>>>> were under Bush.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now THAT i agree with. Stupid stupid stupid!  Overreaction....closing the
>>>> barn door after the horse has left. The video Mikey posted illustrated this
>>>> amusingly.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> We're baptized in these waters
>>>> And in each others blood
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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