Its interesting to know that one of the largest hospital systems in
Ontario has a grand total of 3 or 4 people to handle insurance
paperwork. In the US its 3 or 4 people per doctor's office.

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Eric Roberts
<ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>
> From talking to actual Canadians who use the system every day and talking to
> actual Brits, and talking people who live in a few other countries where
> they have socialized medicine...while it may not be perfect (what system
> is?)...it is far better than what we have now in the US. When you have no
> more barriers to getting preventive care, you detect issues earlier, which
> also means, in most cases, it's also a lot cheaper to treat and it also
> reduces the amounts of people going to ER's for issues that should be
> getting retaken care of in the doctors offices.  Plus, with a single system
> of payment, it removes the layers and layers of complexity that doc's
> offices have to deal with for payment.  There are a lot of cost reductions
> in socialized medicine that do offset a lot of the increases in costs that
> the government picks up by sponsoring health care.
>
> I think the biggest deception in this whole issue is that opponents of
> healthcare have convinced the teabaggers that there is a difference between
> paying a premium to them and paying your premiums via taxes.  The only
> difference there is who is getting paid.  So if you taxes go up and you no
> longer have to pay an insurance premium (in the case of single payer), there
> really is no logical difference in what is happening with your money.  With
> single payer, there is a good possibility that because this would be spread
> out amongst a much larger pool of people, that what you are paying may be
> considerably less.  So meanwhile the dumbass teabaggers, who have been duped
> into bitching about resultant tax hikes form this, keep screaming about
> taxes, the insurance company is laughing at their rubes all the way to the
> bank.
>
> Personally...I would rather pay the government and know that I can get
> treatment without going bankrupt than deal with the insurance companies and
> hospitals, knowing tat I will have to declare bankruptcy to deal with all my
> medical bills since I don't have access to insurance(which is something I am
> facing right now).
>
> Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kris Sisk [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 10:08 AM
> To: cf-community
> Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay
> penalties instead
>
>
> Personally I trust the government about as far as I trust big coorporations,
> which is to say not at all. The government is probably the single most
> corrupt organization in the nation and big corporations see us as nothing
> more than a means to make money regardless of any harm done in pursuit of
> that goal. Insurance companies in particular are among the biggest offenders
> of that, but I don't believe it'd be any better (or worse) under a fully
> government run program.
>
>
>
>
> 

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