This is an anectdote so you know what its worth. My cousin is a doctor in Sheffield in Yorkshire England. In talking with him and my father in law, who is a doctor in the same specialty in Tennessee, admin efforts really stand out as a difference. Derrick spends about 1 to 5 hours a week on admin tasks in his independent practice. My father in law moved from an independent practice to a group practice because of the admin tasks, and he spends at least 20 to 30 hours per week on admin tasks. Mainly on insurance etc.
Now multiply that by the thousands of doctors and other health care providers across the country. That would be a huge savings alone. The largest hospital in Ontario has a staff of 5 to handle insurance related tasks, and according to the director they're somewhat under employed. A typical moderately sized group practice in the US has at least 5 and more often more than 10 employees dedicated to insurance tasks. Again a single payer system is much cheaper in terms of administration than the current system. Even with the proposed reforms, its still going to be quite a lot more in terms of admin costs than any single payer system. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Eric Roberts <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > I can also find many many more cases where the UK healthcare system works > just fine...no bubble burst here. > > Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 8:18 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Shocker: Major corporations may dump health insurance, pay > penalties instead > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> So what's you're point? Surely you should know by now that anecdotes >> are not worth the paper they're written on. They only typically used >> when the person arguing doesn't have the data to back up his point, or >> is intellectually dishonest and will make up stories as evidence. > > If you were a little intelligent, you'd realize I was responding to > Eric's anecdotal proof of how superior the other systems are. I just > stuck a pin in his bubble. And obviously my brother-in-law is not a > unique case, he's the norm. But like I said he's in the UK, not > Canada. > >> Look at the over all stats. People in those countries with a national >> health system like Britain, Australia, New Zealand, France or Canada, >> are healthier, live longer and have much lower health care costs than >> in the US. > > How many times do we have to argue this? They live longer because they > don't drive as much which causes more accidents and don't murder as > much. The fact that they cost is lower doesn't make it better. Canada > sends there difficult cases to the US. How much would they spend > without us? > >> tell us another one Monkey boy. Perhaps eventually you and veracity >> may become acquainted. > > Wonder if G thinks that's childish? > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:317900 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
