133, wow. Mine was described as very severe at 55. Amazed you didn't
drive into anything.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:29 PM, William Bowen <william.bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm sorry for your brother's condition, but let me offer a
> (admittedly-anecdotal but personal) counter-point.
>
> First, I have insurance, it is very good insurance, it is very
> expensive insurance. Everything I will speak about below is completely
> covered by my insurance.
>
> So, my wife tells me that she's been concerned for some time that I'm
> not breathing right when I sleep. Between the loud snoring and the
> stopping thereof, gasping for breath, etc. it's literally keeping her
> up at night--not to mention worrying her.
>
> I called my local clinic for an appointment, wait a couple weeks for
> the schedule to clear, go see my doctor, tell her about my symptoms,
> she recommends that I see a sleep specialist. I go with my referral to
> the appointments desk and find that they can schedule me for a consult
> with a sleep specialist in a month. 1st available appointment. My
> insurance doesn't play a part in making doctors more available.
>
> So I go to the appointment, describe my symptoms and my doctor says,
> "we will schedule a sleep study as soon as possible."
>
> So I go to schedule a sleep study. It's a month out, first available
> time slot. Again, having insurance doesn't get me to the front of the
> line... I go to my sleep study and they hook me to the machines, lots
> of wires and whatnot.
>
> My sleep study goes pretty well but I have to wait another three weeks
> to get my results/follow-up consult. Again, insurance is no help
> getting my results quicker.
>
> At my follow-up, my doctor my doctor informs me that 5 apneas an hour
> is considered "dangerous". My count was 133 observed apneas per hour
> over the course of the 7.5 hour sleep study. My oxygen levels went as
> low as 50%. I am (according to my doctor) at high risk for
> heart-attack, stroke and possible plain-old suffocation.
>
> So. I get fitted for a mask and take it home to start using it. The
> settings are generally set, so I am getting airflow, but not optimal;
> for that I need another sleep study and a follow-up.
>
> The 2nd sleep study was performed three weeks ago. My follow-up
> appointment at which my mask will finally be set to optimal "dosage"
> so that treatment can actually begin is June 11. Once again, great
> insurance doesn't help me go the the head of the line.
>
> So six months later I will finally be able to begin treatment for
> something that has been slowly killing me. This is the best on-demand
> healthcare can do? How is the availability of and my possession of
> insurance helping me get the treatment I need when I need it?
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:22 PM, Sam <sammyc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> My bro-inlaw in the UK was told he needed to be tested for kidney and
>> prostate cancer six months ago. Three months later he got the tests,
>> Last week he got the results. He needs surgery for both and is now
>> going on the waiting list. He's only 50 and we're very afraid he won't
>> make it.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Eric Roberts
>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From talking to actual Canadians who use the system every day and talking to
>>> actual Brits, and talking people who live in a few other countries where
>>> they have socialized medicine...while it may not be perfect (what system
>>> is?)...it is far better than what we have now in the US. When you have no
>>> more barriers to getting preventive care, you detect issues earlier, which
>>> also means, in most cases, it's also a lot cheaper to treat and it also
>>> reduces the amounts of people going to ER's for issues that should be
>>> getting retaken care of in the doctors offices.  Plus, with a single system
>>> of payment, it removes the layers and layers of complexity that doc's
>>> offices have to deal with for payment.  There are a lot of cost reductions
>>> in socialized medicine that do offset a lot of the increases in costs that
>>> the government picks up by sponsoring health care.
>>>
>>> I think the biggest deception in this whole issue is that opponents of
>>> healthcare have convinced the teabaggers that there is a difference between
>>> paying a premium to them and paying your premiums via taxes.  The only
>>> difference there is who is getting paid.  So if you taxes go up and you no
>>> longer have to pay an insurance premium (in the case of single payer), there
>>> really is no logical difference in what is happening with your money.  With
>>> single payer, there is a good possibility that because this would be spread
>>> out amongst a much larger pool of people, that what you are paying may be
>>> considerably less.  So meanwhile the dumbass teabaggers, who have been duped
>>> into bitching about resultant tax hikes form this, keep screaming about
>>> taxes, the insurance company is laughing at their rubes all the way to the
>>> bank.
>>>
>>> Personally...I would rather pay the government and know that I can get
>>> treatment without going bankrupt than deal with the insurance companies and
>>> hospitals, knowing tat I will have to declare bankruptcy to deal with all my
>>> medical bills since I don't have access to insurance(which is something I am
>>> facing right no
>>
>>
>
> 

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