You can defend it anyway you want..but FIFA does not even agree with you or they would not be investigating the ball design - unless, of course, this is just FIFA trying to make it seem like they really care.
The Super Bowl may be a 'league cup' but tons of people the world over watch the game every year. I think on that alone, yo can put it right beside the World Cup in terms of viewer interest. Not sure you get as much international coverage of the EPL championship as you do for the Super Bowl. FYI - I never said the NFL was superior. My exact words were 'Say what you want about American football, but we don't re-engineer the ball for every Super Bowl'. Each has it own plusses and minuses - just in my opinion football has more pluses and soccer has more minuses. On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Super Bowl is not at all like World Cup. > > Super Bowl is a league cup. It's like winning the Premier League. > Super Bowl isn't international, it's a country-wide league. NFL is like the > EPL or SPL or Serie A. > > Yes there are comparisons, but an equal amount of comparisons can be drawn > to any competition. So piping up in the middle of a discussion about World > Cup with some comment about how the NFL doesn't change the ball is as > ludicrous as it is benign. You might as well have posted about red > Life-Savers. > > As far as the ball goes, they didn't change the tech for money. They make > their money off the design. The balls that incorporate the actual tech are > usually over $100. The majority of the balls sold are the $30 ones which are > regular balls with the latest design. They change the tech because they are > trying to progress football. The same as every other sport tries to > progress. Sports change padding, shoes, skates, sticks, gloves, balls and > every other aspect of equipment to keep making the sport faster and more > intense. Every sport does it. And players complain about the ball every > world cup. It's as sure as death and taxes. If you actually want to know the > engineering decisions that go into it read this: > http://www.canadianmanufacturing.com/designengineering/features/designapplications/article.jsp?content=20100614_132645_9292&page=1 > > Somehow trying to say NFL is superior because they don't change the ball is > ridiculous. > > > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Umm..no its not. >> >> I think it is a very fair comparison between football and soccer. >> >> Football is the most popular sport in the US. >> Soccer is the most popular sport world wide. >> >> The Super Bowl typically has the largest TV ratings for any other >> broadcast in a given year - except maybe on years where the World Cup >> is played. >> I cannot even begin to imagine the global ratings for the World Cup. >> >> Each event is broadcast across the globe in who knows ow many languages. >> >> Hell, they even share the number of players on the field for each side. >> >> So, I do not see how you can call this an apples vs oranges comparison. >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Now you are starting to get it... that your comparison between the two is >> as >> > ridiculous as a comparison between rock-paper-scissors. >> > </cfroadmap> >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> I have not changed ny argument, though you seem to be throwing up a >> >> lot of smoke in front of yours. >> >> >> >> I made a rather innocuous comment (intended to be a joke AND rustle >> >> some feathers) that the NFL does not make it a habit of redesigning >> >> the ball they use for their biggest event like FIFA does. >> >> >> >> You were the one who threw in the other sports (most of which are not >> >> relevant, rock-paper-scissors? seriously?) >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > You are changing your argument mid swing. You said it was apples to >> >> apples >> >> > because NFL has Super Bowl and because FIFA has World Cup. Therefore >> the >> >> > list I gave speaks to that point. Now you are saying your argument is >> >> based >> >> > on if a ruling body is responsible for a sanctioned ball etc. I'm not >> >> going >> >> > to debate when you insist on losing the plot. >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Funny, as it seems FIFA disagrees with you. Why else woud they be >> >> >> investigating, or did you not read the link that was provided? >> >> >> >> >> >> To address your comment below: >> >> >> >> >> >> Darts - don't know much about it, but the few local tournaments (in >> >> >> bars) I have seen, each participant brought their own darts. >> >> >> Golf - Each golfer uses their own style ball, so they switch at their >> >> >> own choosing, not because the PGA decides to sell the rights to the >> >> >> new design. >> >> >> Rock-paper-scissors - the only equipment is your hand, so unless >> >> >> people start re-designing their hands, not sure this has any >> >> >> relevance. >> >> >> Tennis - I know less about tennis than I do darts. But I do not ever >> >> >> recall hearing players express concerns about the balls at any of the >> >> >> 4 majors. >> >> >> Cricket - ok..I know nothing of Cricket. Absolutely nothing. So you >> >> >> may have a point here..its doubtful, but I will concede this one. >> >> >> Horse racing - seriously? >> >> >> Indy - if its anything like NASCAR, they use different tires for each >> >> >> race - something else I find stupid and dangerous. But aside from >> that >> >> >> each team supplies it own car, so if they changes anything, its their >> >> >> fault, not the sanctioning body. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So then darts, golf, paper-rock-scissors, tennis, cricket, horse >> >> racing, >> >> >> > indy and more are all apples to apples just because they have a >> >> >> > large pinnacle event? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > It's not like they've changed the ball so much that it's not a >> >> football >> >> >> > anymore. And it's not like the teams were just given the ball the >> day >> >> the >> >> >> > world cup started. They've had lots of time to train with Jubulani. >> >> And >> >> >> > these athletes can and have adjusted to the ball. This hasn't >> >> destroyed >> >> >> the >> >> >> > world cup nor taken any of the shine off of it. Look at Portugal >> >> scoring >> >> >> > seven goals in a single outing. Proof positive that changing the >> ball >> >> >> hasn't >> >> >> > destroyed the game. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > So yes, apples to oranges. And again, why the hell does it matter >> what >> >> >> NFL >> >> >> > does in a discussion about the world cup? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Lets see. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The Super Bowl is the biggest event put on by the NFL. The World >> Cup >> >> >> >> is the biggest event (even bigger than the Super Bowl) put on by >> >> FIFA. >> >> >> >> (Apples vs Apples there) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The NFL does not change the design of the ball for its big event. >> >> FIFA >> >> >> >> does. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Please help me understand how this is an apples to oranges >> >> comparison? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I cannot imagine training for 4 years(or more) to get to the World >> >> Cup >> >> >> >> and have to play with a ball, arguable the single most important >> >> piece >> >> >> >> of equipment in ANY soccer game, that acts differently to what I >> used >> >> >> >> during my training. To me, that is just...ionno...odd. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > But how does the fact that the NFL doesn't change their ball >> relate >> >> to >> >> >> >> > football in any way? It's part of world cup that they try to use >> >> new >> >> >> tech >> >> >> >> > with the balls. It just seems like you are comparing apples to >> >> oranges >> >> >> by >> >> >> >> > saying "say what you want about oranges, at least they aren't >> >> apples." >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com >> > >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Sure. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> If I understand correctly, the ball being used this year was >> newly >> >> >> >> >> engineered specifically for this World Cup (as was, I believe, >> the >> >> >> >> >> ball from 4 years ago). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This ball seems to be acting differently than other balls that >> are >> >> >> >> >> used. You don't get that with American football (or any other >> >> major >> >> >> >> >> sport in the US). >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > Would you be so kind as to help a poor fella like myself >> >> understand >> >> >> >> your >> >> >> >> >> > point? >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz < >> boyz...@gmail.com >> >> > >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Say what you want about American football, but we don't >> >> >> re-engineer >> >> >> >> >> >> the ball for every Super Bowl :D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > Fifa responds to another point of contention in the >> worldcup >> >> >> today >> >> >> >> : >> >> >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> >> >> new >> >> >> >> >> >> > Ball. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > The ball has come under intense criticism for it's >> propensity >> >> to >> >> >> >> arc >> >> >> >> >> >> several >> >> >> >> >> >> > meters into the air with the slightest touch. >> >> >> >> >> >> > This has thrown off several strikers who in regular play >> are >> >> >> >> normally >> >> >> >> >> top >> >> >> >> >> >> > scorers. It is also supposedly responsible for the low >> goal >> >> >> scoring >> >> >> >> in >> >> >> >> >> >> > several of the matches thus far. >> >> >> >> >> >> > The number of overbars and wide strikes in this Worldcup >> is >> >> >> >> supposedly >> >> >> >> >> >> > higher than on previous years. >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.wired.com/playbook/2010/06/fifa-promises-investigation-into-world-cup-ball/ >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:322277 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
