I have not changed ny argument, though you seem to be throwing up a lot of smoke in front of yours.
I made a rather innocuous comment (intended to be a joke AND rustle some feathers) that the NFL does not make it a habit of redesigning the ball they use for their biggest event like FIFA does. You were the one who threw in the other sports (most of which are not relevant, rock-paper-scissors? seriously?) On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: > > You are changing your argument mid swing. You said it was apples to apples > because NFL has Super Bowl and because FIFA has World Cup. Therefore the > list I gave speaks to that point. Now you are saying your argument is based > on if a ruling body is responsible for a sanctioned ball etc. I'm not going > to debate when you insist on losing the plot. > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Funny, as it seems FIFA disagrees with you. Why else woud they be >> investigating, or did you not read the link that was provided? >> >> To address your comment below: >> >> Darts - don't know much about it, but the few local tournaments (in >> bars) I have seen, each participant brought their own darts. >> Golf - Each golfer uses their own style ball, so they switch at their >> own choosing, not because the PGA decides to sell the rights to the >> new design. >> Rock-paper-scissors - the only equipment is your hand, so unless >> people start re-designing their hands, not sure this has any >> relevance. >> Tennis - I know less about tennis than I do darts. But I do not ever >> recall hearing players express concerns about the balls at any of the >> 4 majors. >> Cricket - ok..I know nothing of Cricket. Absolutely nothing. So you >> may have a point here..its doubtful, but I will concede this one. >> Horse racing - seriously? >> Indy - if its anything like NASCAR, they use different tires for each >> race - something else I find stupid and dangerous. But aside from that >> each team supplies it own car, so if they changes anything, its their >> fault, not the sanctioning body. >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > So then darts, golf, paper-rock-scissors, tennis, cricket, horse racing, >> > indy and more are all apples to apples just because they have a >> > large pinnacle event? >> > >> > It's not like they've changed the ball so much that it's not a football >> > anymore. And it's not like the teams were just given the ball the day the >> > world cup started. They've had lots of time to train with Jubulani. And >> > these athletes can and have adjusted to the ball. This hasn't destroyed >> the >> > world cup nor taken any of the shine off of it. Look at Portugal scoring >> > seven goals in a single outing. Proof positive that changing the ball >> hasn't >> > destroyed the game. >> > >> > So yes, apples to oranges. And again, why the hell does it matter what >> NFL >> > does in a discussion about the world cup? >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Lets see. >> >> >> >> The Super Bowl is the biggest event put on by the NFL. The World Cup >> >> is the biggest event (even bigger than the Super Bowl) put on by FIFA. >> >> (Apples vs Apples there) >> >> >> >> The NFL does not change the design of the ball for its big event. FIFA >> >> does. >> >> >> >> Please help me understand how this is an apples to oranges comparison? >> >> >> >> I cannot imagine training for 4 years(or more) to get to the World Cup >> >> and have to play with a ball, arguable the single most important piece >> >> of equipment in ANY soccer game, that acts differently to what I used >> >> during my training. To me, that is just...ionno...odd. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > But how does the fact that the NFL doesn't change their ball relate to >> >> > football in any way? It's part of world cup that they try to use new >> tech >> >> > with the balls. It just seems like you are comparing apples to oranges >> by >> >> > saying "say what you want about oranges, at least they aren't apples." >> >> > >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Sure. >> >> >> >> >> >> If I understand correctly, the ball being used this year was newly >> >> >> engineered specifically for this World Cup (as was, I believe, the >> >> >> ball from 4 years ago). >> >> >> >> >> >> This ball seems to be acting differently than other balls that are >> >> >> used. You don't get that with American football (or any other major >> >> >> sport in the US). >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Would you be so kind as to help a poor fella like myself understand >> >> your >> >> >> > point? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Say what you want about American football, but we don't >> re-engineer >> >> >> >> the ball for every Super Bowl :D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Vivec <gel21...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Fifa responds to another point of contention in the worldcup >> today >> >> : >> >> >> The >> >> >> >> new >> >> >> >> > Ball. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > The ball has come under intense criticism for it's propensity to >> >> arc >> >> >> >> several >> >> >> >> > meters into the air with the slightest touch. >> >> >> >> > This has thrown off several strikers who in regular play are >> >> normally >> >> >> top >> >> >> >> > scorers. It is also supposedly responsible for the low goal >> scoring >> >> in >> >> >> >> > several of the matches thus far. >> >> >> >> > The number of overbars and wide strikes in this Worldcup is >> >> supposedly >> >> >> >> > higher than on previous years. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.wired.com/playbook/2010/06/fifa-promises-investigation-into-world-cup-ball/ >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:322259 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
