On 7/9/2010 2:14 PM, Sam wrote:
> Missed that, and it wasn't your original. I was paying more attention
> to this: "Less guns bought to be stolen does lead to less guns to buy
> illegally."

Different point for a different part of the conversation.  Basic supply 
and demand says that if there are less guns sold, there are less guns 
that can be acquired illegally and they will cost more pricing them out 
of range of lower criminals.

Whether or not that is worth pursuing as a policy and if it is 
constitutional in the USA is a completely different argument.  But one 
is not supporting ones side well if one argues from the assumption that 
removing guns overall will have *no* effect on illegal guns.

> So you've changed that from less sales to less victims of gun theft?

Not changed, added a second point.  I'm capable of discussing multiple 
factors of a debate.

Another way to make less guns end up on the illegal market thus lowering 
their supply is to make policy to encourage legal owners to not to allow 
theirs ending up there.

Such as, just a wild and probably unpoliceable idea that may or may not 
already be policy, that if ones gun(s) are stolen, one suffers stiffer 
penalties if the gun was lying unsecured in a bedside night table or 
under the pillow rather then being properly secured.  But that would 
just be one idea for one possible vector of legal guns becoming illegal.

The main point of my arguments is that there is a lot of legitimate room 
for reasonable discussion between moderates, if the extremist rhetoric 
from both ends of the spectrum can be cut out.

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