Not. But to give a real answer that addresses your concerns would take a fair amount of work, the sort of stuff I do consulting. Besides, being stuck on a commuter train right now makes it rather difficult in the first place.
Ghads I hate commuting. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Why do you seem to be taking that personally? > > I am just curious how following some kids for 1 year and some for 14 > years can yield consistent data. As I said, a lot can happen to people > in 14 years. In 14 years you can go from 2nd grade to college > graduate. Or from 6th grade to being a doctor. I understand that it > would be difficult to follow all the children for the same period of > time, but it just seems like a pretty wide disparity, especially with > children. A lot happens in 14 years with children. > > Maybe I am just an idiot, but I cannot seem to find anything at the > link you post even linking to the study you mentioned. > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Its still legitimate. The longitudinal sampling techniques took such >> into account. Go to the site and look at how they do that sort of >> research. I'm pretty satisfied with their methodology, as is the >> entire field. You need to do your own research about it. I don't see >> why I ought to provide freebies when I charge a consulting fee for >> doing such. >> >> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> 1-14 years? That seems to be a pretty big disparity for some kids >>> compared to another. A lot of shit (good and bad) can happen to a >>> person in 14 years. How can those numbers even be remotely accurate?. >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> No its simply a fact, not an excuse. For instance take the NORC >>>> dataset (see http://www.norc.org/homepage.htm) - this data is the >>>> result of a 20 year longitudinal study of all the children in the >>>> Chicago region school systems, including urban, suburban and rural >>>> systems. The children were followed throughout their school career. In >>>> the end over 50,000 children were followed for about 1 to 14 years. >>>> Not only was school achievement assess, but socioeconomic status, >>>> parental involvement, etc. >>>> >>>> The shared variance (or r squared value) between race and economic >>>> status was over 40%, meaning that the two factors (race and SES) were >>>> strongly related. To such an extent that you cannot statistically >>>> remove the effect of poverty from ethnicity effects nor can you >>>> eliminate the effects of race on effects due to socio-economic status. >>>> >>>> Similar results are found in the census data and in other very large >>>> datasets. Its not saying that one group is better than the other, its >>>> saying that this strong relationship exists and has to be taken into >>>> account in any statistical model you create. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> "Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So >>>>> close >>>>> together that its really really really difficult to remove the effects of >>>>> one from the other." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> One of the most racist ideas I have heard or read. It's that sentiment >>>>> that >>>>> gives people an excuse for failure. I can't succeed because my skin color >>>>> is [fill in the blank]. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> J >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that >>>>> because >>>>> he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless of >>>>> his own merits or efforts. - Booker T. Washington >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:323328 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
