OK Scott last thing. This is the 4th follow up technical report on the methodology: http://nces.ed.gov/pubs95/95426.pdf
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:47 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> wrote: > Also I found some more detail explanation of the followups for the > survey which ended in the late 80's. From what I understand the same > methodology was used. > http://cloud9.norc.uchicago.edu/faqs/nels.htm > > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Here Scott, this is a very brief explanation of longitudinal research: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitudinal_study >> >> To get how the researchers did the actual assessments, you'll need to >> troll the NORC site's methodology sections for how they handled >> attrition etc. >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Why do you seem to be taking that personally? >>> >>> I am just curious how following some kids for 1 year and some for 14 >>> years can yield consistent data. As I said, a lot can happen to people >>> in 14 years. In 14 years you can go from 2nd grade to college >>> graduate. Or from 6th grade to being a doctor. I understand that it >>> would be difficult to follow all the children for the same period of >>> time, but it just seems like a pretty wide disparity, especially with >>> children. A lot happens in 14 years with children. >>> >>> Maybe I am just an idiot, but I cannot seem to find anything at the >>> link you post even linking to the study you mentioned. >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Its still legitimate. The longitudinal sampling techniques took such >>>> into account. Go to the site and look at how they do that sort of >>>> research. I'm pretty satisfied with their methodology, as is the >>>> entire field. You need to do your own research about it. I don't see >>>> why I ought to provide freebies when I charge a consulting fee for >>>> doing such. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 1-14 years? That seems to be a pretty big disparity for some kids >>>>> compared to another. A lot of shit (good and bad) can happen to a >>>>> person in 14 years. How can those numbers even be remotely accurate?. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> No its simply a fact, not an excuse. For instance take the NORC >>>>>> dataset (see http://www.norc.org/homepage.htm) - this data is the >>>>>> result of a 20 year longitudinal study of all the children in the >>>>>> Chicago region school systems, including urban, suburban and rural >>>>>> systems. The children were followed throughout their school career. In >>>>>> the end over 50,000 children were followed for about 1 to 14 years. >>>>>> Not only was school achievement assess, but socioeconomic status, >>>>>> parental involvement, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> The shared variance (or r squared value) between race and economic >>>>>> status was over 40%, meaning that the two factors (race and SES) were >>>>>> strongly related. To such an extent that you cannot statistically >>>>>> remove the effect of poverty from ethnicity effects nor can you >>>>>> eliminate the effects of race on effects due to socio-economic status. >>>>>> >>>>>> Similar results are found in the census data and in other very large >>>>>> datasets. Its not saying that one group is better than the other, its >>>>>> saying that this strong relationship exists and has to be taken into >>>>>> account in any statistical model you create. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Jerry Barnes <critic...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Race and poverty are real close. Real close. Really really close. So >>>>>>> close >>>>>>> together that its really really really difficult to remove the effects >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> one from the other." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One of the most racist ideas I have heard or read. It's that sentiment >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> gives people an excuse for failure. I can't succeed because my skin >>>>>>> color >>>>>>> is [fill in the blank]. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> J >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No greater injury can be done to any youth than to let him feel that >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> he belongs to this or that race he will be advanced in life regardless >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> his own merits or efforts. - Booker T. Washington >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:323344 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
