So, why is it OK to cheat in soccer, but not golf? Do soccer players
have less integrity than golfers?

I do not buy 'taking a dive' is a 'part of the game' any more than I
buy that trying to cheat the rules is a part of any other sport or
game.

To me, there is no difference between a soccer player taking a dive
trying to elicit a penalty and a golfer improving their lie (or not
calling a penalty on themselves that should be called). And I would
prefer not wasting my time watching either.

On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> golf is sacred.  that's why.  it is built upon integrity, and laws of the 
> game.
> nothing about it is subjective or left to interpretation.  so yeah, no.
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Could you not say its 'crafty' for a golfer to try and improve their
>> lie? Are you OK with cheating under those circumstances? Or is it only
>> when its considered 'part of the game' to roll around like a pansy
>> hoping to get a penalty called on your opponent?
>>
>> I know it happens in other sports (players pretending to be hit by a
>> pitch in baseball, or pretending to be interfered with in football,
>> for example), but not only are they less prevalent, but they are more
>> likely to be 'caught' and not have the penalty called (or given a base
>> or whatever). And yes, I hate it when these players do the same thing.
>>
>> Its not mental, its not crafty, its not pushing lines....its cheating
>> - just like improving your lie when no one can see it.
>>
>> I think back to the golf tournament last year where Brian Davis, in a
>> sudden death playoff, with Jim Furyk called a penalty on himself -
>> which could only be seen in 'super slow motion' replay. It not only
>> cost him the tournament, and about $400,000, but he missed out on an
>> exception to the US Open. You will NEVER see that type of gamesmanship
>> in a professional soccer game....EVER.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> idk, i love it.  to me, its all part of the game.  sport isnt just the bat 
>>> and
>>> the ball, or the foot and the ball, its mental, its being crafty, its
>>> pushing lines,
>>> its subject referee's and umpires and their subjective calls.  and if
>>> im smarter or
>>> slicker than the eyes of the official... more power to me!
>>>
>>> bring on the FRENCH WOMEN, its time to shut them down on wednesday.
>>>
>>> let's go girls!
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If pretending to get hurt to draw a penalty is 'part of the
>>>> game'...that is not a game I wish to partake in, or even spend my time
>>>> watching.
>>>>
>>>> Most times I have seen someone 'take a dive', the ref does nothing but
>>>> call a penalty - while the player who was just writhing in pain on the
>>>> field gets up and runs away like nothing happened.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, in my opinion, that is not 'gamesmanship', its cheating or, at
>>>> the very least, an attempt at cheating.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> i REALLY dont get why people have such problems with this.
>>>>> its gamesmanship.  and look where it got brazil!  a LOSS.
>>>>>
>>>>> the only reason there was enough time for the USA to score
>>>>> was due to the fake ass fall of the player "Erika" i think, and when
>>>>> the ref (Who was a fucktard most of the game) saw her just walk away, etc
>>>>> gave her a yellow card, and then went on to add more time!
>>>>>
>>>>> excellent mastery of the gamesmanship inside soccer.
>>>>>
>>>>> idk, i love it all... its all part of the game.  sometimes it helps you
>>>>> sometimes it hinders you.
>>>>>
>>>>> and now brazil is sitting because of it!
>>>>>
>>>>> w000t
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <jmi...@gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Grrr! Don't get me started.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Ray Champagne <r...@raychampagne.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Don't forget to teach them how to dive properly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
> 

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