What if it is a team golf match (Ryder Cup, Collegate championship, etc) - is it OK to cheat then?
If your team wins a soccer (or baseball, or basketball, etc) game because you cheated, isn't that also helping you? I don't really see the distinction - whether individual sport or team sport, cheating is cheating. Often times, in soccer matches, it seems to me that its not the most skilled players that determine the outcome, but the best actors (and by my definition - the best cheaters). Want to see how soccer should really be played? Watch a group of junior players who have yet to learn that 'taking a dive' is 'part of the game'. Maybe I am just old fashioned (or just old), but I prefer a lot more sportsmanship in my sports. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote: > > golf is an individual, playing against thyself and the course. hoping > that your score bests everyone elses. > > soccer is a team sport, where you try to do everything you can to help > your team win. > > idk, i play, have played both, and see a ton of distinction betwixt the two > and have no problem playing one with strict laws, and the other with > the grit and fire and passion to do anything to help my team win. > > color me crazy :) > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So, why is it OK to cheat in soccer, but not golf? Do soccer players >> have less integrity than golfers? >> >> I do not buy 'taking a dive' is a 'part of the game' any more than I >> buy that trying to cheat the rules is a part of any other sport or >> game. >> >> To me, there is no difference between a soccer player taking a dive >> trying to elicit a penalty and a golfer improving their lie (or not >> calling a penalty on themselves that should be called). And I would >> prefer not wasting my time watching either. >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:42 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> golf is sacred. that's why. it is built upon integrity, and laws of the >>> game. >>> nothing about it is subjective or left to interpretation. so yeah, no. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Could you not say its 'crafty' for a golfer to try and improve their >>>> lie? Are you OK with cheating under those circumstances? Or is it only >>>> when its considered 'part of the game' to roll around like a pansy >>>> hoping to get a penalty called on your opponent? >>>> >>>> I know it happens in other sports (players pretending to be hit by a >>>> pitch in baseball, or pretending to be interfered with in football, >>>> for example), but not only are they less prevalent, but they are more >>>> likely to be 'caught' and not have the penalty called (or given a base >>>> or whatever). And yes, I hate it when these players do the same thing. >>>> >>>> Its not mental, its not crafty, its not pushing lines....its cheating >>>> - just like improving your lie when no one can see it. >>>> >>>> I think back to the golf tournament last year where Brian Davis, in a >>>> sudden death playoff, with Jim Furyk called a penalty on himself - >>>> which could only be seen in 'super slow motion' replay. It not only >>>> cost him the tournament, and about $400,000, but he missed out on an >>>> exception to the US Open. You will NEVER see that type of gamesmanship >>>> in a professional soccer game....EVER. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> idk, i love it. to me, its all part of the game. sport isnt just the >>>>> bat and >>>>> the ball, or the foot and the ball, its mental, its being crafty, its >>>>> pushing lines, >>>>> its subject referee's and umpires and their subjective calls. and if >>>>> im smarter or >>>>> slicker than the eyes of the official... more power to me! >>>>> >>>>> bring on the FRENCH WOMEN, its time to shut them down on wednesday. >>>>> >>>>> let's go girls! >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Scott Stroz <boyz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If pretending to get hurt to draw a penalty is 'part of the >>>>>> game'...that is not a game I wish to partake in, or even spend my time >>>>>> watching. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most times I have seen someone 'take a dive', the ref does nothing but >>>>>> call a penalty - while the player who was just writhing in pain on the >>>>>> field gets up and runs away like nothing happened. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, in my opinion, that is not 'gamesmanship', its cheating or, at >>>>>> the very least, an attempt at cheating. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 8:57 AM, Ras Tafari <rastaf...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i REALLY dont get why people have such problems with this. >>>>>>> its gamesmanship. and look where it got brazil! a LOSS. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> the only reason there was enough time for the USA to score >>>>>>> was due to the fake ass fall of the player "Erika" i think, and when >>>>>>> the ref (Who was a fucktard most of the game) saw her just walk away, >>>>>>> etc >>>>>>> gave her a yellow card, and then went on to add more time! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> excellent mastery of the gamesmanship inside soccer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> idk, i love it all... its all part of the game. sometimes it helps you >>>>>>> sometimes it hinders you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and now brazil is sitting because of it! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> w000t >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 9:26 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson <jmi...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Grrr! Don't get me started. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 1:05 AM, Ray Champagne <r...@raychampagne.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't forget to teach them how to dive properly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:340232 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
