so fructose in an apple is not as bad as plain sugars or HFCS because the apple takes longer to digest and the fructose doesn't hit the liver in a spike, am I getting that right? One other thing I had read was that HFCS has calories, but doesn't produce a sated feeling and therefore makes it more likely you'll overeat.
I can't comment on the sweeteners in your article as I mostly don't use them, at least not on purpose. This is why I find it particularly infuriating when I discover I've had a stealth exposure somewhere I wasn't expecting one. My weaknesses are much more in the salty line. But I did want to comment on honey though, off the topic of weight gain but still in the domain of health. Eating locally-grown honey can help desensitize you to local pollens, although it probably won't work fast enough to relieve current symptoms. I did try it and found it made things a lot better the following seasons. I am having to repeat the process (only in California would you get hay fever in January) so it's sort of at the top of my mind. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Sandra Clark <sclarkli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I actually wrote a blog post about sweeteners, which might answer some of > these questions. > http://healthyfoodnaturally.com/2011/12/06/sweeteners-whats-in-a-name/ > > The corn industry is trying to call HFCS "Corn Sugar" and aspartame is > trying to re-label themselves as "Amino Sweet" > > Sandy Clark > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to eat > > something that's not good for me, I can think of things I would enjoy > more > > than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were > starting > > to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know anything > > about that? > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said that > if > > > you > > > need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably shouldn't be making it. > > If > > > done right, it doesn't need anything to sweeten it. So if you are > buying > > > premade sauce, if it is sweetened, more than likely it has HFCS. I do > > > watch the labels when I know it is going to do any good. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM > > > To: cf-community > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting processed > > > foods > > > go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells isn't necessarily > > organic, > > > and unless you read every single label and look up every ingredient...I > > > just > > > noticed High fructose corn syrup in the tomato sauce I was using. I > mean, > > > tomato sauce? Why sweeten that? The next step I want to take is buying > at > > > the farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. Living in > > > Santa > > > Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently healthy as > fresh > > > strawberries has hidden gotchas. > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > > > > Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy ingredients...instead we > > > > use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase obesity. > In > > > > the lower class and even parts of the middle class...i would say that > > > > yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. Back when we had Mom at home > > > > cooking a fresh dinner with fresh ingredients, it was a lot easier. > > > > Now that most households are 2 income households, we are forced to > eat > > > > more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These foods > > > > have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose corn syrup and > > > > other products that lead to faster weight gain. > > > > These products tend to have more calories per serving. Healthy foods > > > > are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't afford > > > > it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, but I > > > > would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent money. Even when > > > > you have ideal conditions and one can eat relatively healthy and > > > > exercise, it is difficult to maintain a good weight. Our lifestyle > > > > does not match our evolution. We were designed to have very active > > > > lifestyles. Unfortunately, especially for those of us in non-laborer > > > > positions, we don't have the time to get the exercise we really need. > > > > So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > > > > To: cf-community > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay at a > > > > proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > > > > > > > > On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > > > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a lot of > > > > > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > obesity. > > > > > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make you gain > > > > > weight. Other factors also get into it...things like thyroid > > > > > disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people take to combat > > > > > these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. > > > > > Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. > > > > > Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher > insulin > > > > > levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat since it > thinks > > > > > that, because of the elevated insulin levels, that there is an > > > > > abundance of glucose in your blood. Hypothyroidism, which is > pretty > > > > > common, also adds to weight gain as it lowers your metabolism. > > > > > Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system will cause > > > > > weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the contaminats in > > > > > our foods, like mercury and heavy > > > > metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you may not > > > > lose weight. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people in > North > > > > > America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? Is it > a > > > > > significant enough number to disregard a common sense approach of > > > > > eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried or processed food) > > > > > and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily apologize for insinuating > > > > > that the epidemic of obesity is largely self-inflicted and > > preventable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > > > > >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to do with > > > > >>> the > > > > >> other > > > > >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > > > > >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped people. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > > > > >>>> sufficiently > > > > >>> due > > > > >>>> to disabilities. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > > > > >>>> To: cf-community > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some people, is > all > > > > >>>> I am saying. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for some > > > > >>>> other > > > > >>> reason, > > > > >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from gaining > > > > >>>> more but > > > > >>> not > > > > >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you pretty > much > > > > >>>> have > > > > >> to > > > > >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant weight > and > > > > >>>> keep > > > > >> it > > > > >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, but I > > > > >>>> was > > > > >> quite > > > > >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat was raw. > > > > >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you can't > eat > > > > >>>> all fruit > > > > >> all > > > > >>> of > > > > >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked doctors, I > > > > >>>> got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just avoid fat. > > > > >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't worry too > > > > >>>> much > > > > > about the fat. > > > > >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make yourself crazy > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >> just > > > > >>>> eat > > > > >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol numbers > > > > >>>> than > > > > >>> anyone > > > > >>>> on this list ;) > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, because I > > > > >>>> didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making excuses, > but > > > > >>>> this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose and am > > > > >>>> pretty sure that for me the > > > > >>> key > > > > >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think that's > > > > >>>> the case > > > > >>> for > > > > >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > > > > >>>> certainly > > > > >>> didn't > > > > >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four times a > > > > >>>> week > > > > >> for > > > > >>>> years. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who gain > > > > >>>> because > > > > >> they > > > > >>>> eat > > > > >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are people > who > > > > >>>> have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. One > > > > >>>> size does not > > > > >>> fit > > > > >>>> all, is what I am saying. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes in :) > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > >>>>> The other two legs of the > > > > >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can remember. > > > > >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346129 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
