I want to find a good local source and make some mead :-D -----Original Message----- From: Sandra Clark [mailto:sclarkli...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:11 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Obesity in Children
Dana, I can totally agree with the local honey. For the first time in years, I didn't have any allergies this past spring. I was amazed. My office mate was miserable. The only thing I did was switch to local honey about a year prior. I don't use it daily, but whenever I do use honey, its local and raw. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:52 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > so fructose in an apple is not as bad as plain sugars or HFCS because > the apple takes longer to digest and the fructose doesn't hit the > liver in a spike, am I getting that right? One other thing I had read > was that HFCS has calories, but doesn't produce a sated feeling and > therefore makes it more likely you'll overeat. > > I can't comment on the sweeteners in your article as I mostly don't > use them, at least not on purpose. This is why I find it particularly > infuriating when I discover I've had a stealth exposure somewhere I > wasn't expecting one. My weaknesses are much more in the salty line. > > But I did want to comment on honey though, off the topic of weight > gain but still in the domain of health. Eating locally-grown honey can > help desensitize you to local pollens, although it probably won't work > fast enough to relieve current symptoms. I did try it and found it > made things a lot better the following seasons. I am having to repeat > the process (only in California would you get hay fever in January) so > it's sort of at the top of my mind. > > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:23 AM, Sandra Clark <sclarkli...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > I actually wrote a blog post about sweeteners, which might answer > > some of these questions. > > http://healthyfoodnaturally.com/2011/12/06/sweeteners-whats-in-a-nam > > e/ > > > > The corn industry is trying to call HFCS "Corn Sugar" and aspartame > > is trying to re-label themselves as "Amino Sweet" > > > > Sandy Clark > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > yeah, I gave the can away... don't see the point. If I am going to > > > eat something that's not good for me, I can think of things I > > > would enjoy > > more > > > than tomato sauce ;) But I seem to remember reading that they were > > starting > > > to call high fructose corn syrup something else now, anyone know > anything > > > about that? > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Actually sweeting tomato sauce is common, but I have always said > > > > that > > if > > > > you > > > > need to sweeten your tomato sauce, you probably shouldn't be > > > > making > it. > > > If > > > > done right, it doesn't need anything to sweeten it. So if you > > > > are > > buying > > > > premade sauce, if it is sweetened, more than likely it has > > > > HFCS. I > do > > > > watch the labels when I know it is going to do any good. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 7:10 PM > > > > To: cf-community > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > It's possible, just not easy. I think another key is letting > processed > > > > foods > > > > go, as a group. Even the stuff Whole Foods sells isn't > > > > necessarily > > > organic, > > > > and unless you read every single label and look up every > ingredient...I > > > > just > > > > noticed High fructose corn syrup in the tomato sauce I was > > > > using. I > > mean, > > > > tomato sauce? Why sweeten that? The next step I want to take is > buying > > at > > > > the farmer's market, and even then I may ask some questions. > > > > Living > in > > > > Santa > > > > Cruz County taught me that even something as apparently healthy > > > > as > > fresh > > > > strawberries has hidden gotchas. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would say a little of both. It's really stacked against us. > > > > > Corporate greed overrides putting in healthy > > > > > ingredients...instead > we > > > > > use chemicals that are harmful to us and tend to increase obesity. > > In > > > > > the lower class and even parts of the middle class...i would > > > > > say > that > > > > > yes, we are powerless to stop obesity. Back when we had Mom > > > > > at > home > > > > > cooking a fresh dinner with fresh ingredients, it was a lot easier. > > > > > Now that most households are 2 income households, we are > > > > > forced to > > eat > > > > > more fast food and foods that we can prepare quickly. These > > > > > foods have high amounts of saturated fats and high fructose > > > > > corn syrup > and > > > > > other products that lead to faster weight gain. > > > > > These products tend to have more calories per serving. > > > > > Healthy > foods > > > > > are much more expensive to buy and a lot of people just can't > afford > > > > > it. I know I would love to shop at whole foods all the time, > > > > > but I would go broke real fast and I make pretty decent money. > > > > > Even when you have ideal conditions and one can eat relatively > > > > > healthy and exercise, it is difficult to maintain a good > > > > > weight. Our lifestyle does not match our evolution. We were > > > > > designed to have very active lifestyles. Unfortunately, > > > > > especially for those of us in > non-laborer > > > > > positions, we don't have the time to get the exercise we > > > > > really > need. > > > > > So I would definitely say yes to both, depending on the situation. > > > > > > > > > > Eric > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Michael Grant [mailto:mgr...@modus.bz] > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:31 PM > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you just trying to illustrate that it's not easy to stay > > > > > at a proper weight? Or are you saying we're powerless to stop obesity? > > > > > > > > > > On 2012-01-28, at 7:00 PM, "Eric Roberts" > > > > > <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The big problem is that foods that are cheap tend to have a > > > > > > lot > of > > > > > > stuff in them that are bad for you. That is a big factor in > > obesity. > > > > > > Many of the ingredients, like HFCS have been shown to make > > > > > > you > gain > > > > > > weight. Other factors also get into it...things like > > > > > > thyroid disease, diabetes, etc...and the drugs that people > > > > > > take to combat these diseses also contribute to weight gain. I have diabetes. > > > > > > Most of the oral meds I take have weight gain as a side effect. > > > > > > Insulin also increase weight gain since when you have higher > > insulin > > > > > > levels, your body will start to store glucose as fat since > > > > > > it > > thinks > > > > > > that, because of the elevated insulin levels, that there is > > > > > > an abundance of glucose in your blood. Hypothyroidism, > > > > > > which is > > pretty > > > > > > common, also adds to weight gain as it lowers your metabolism. > > > > > > Pretty much any disorder of the pituitary/adrenal system > > > > > > will > cause > > > > > > weight gain. Much of this is caused by some of the > > > > > > contaminats > in > > > > > > our foods, like mercury and heavy > > > > > metals. So even if you have a healthy diet and exercise, you > > > > > may > not > > > > > lose weight. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Medic [mailto:hofme...@gmail.com] > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:10 PM > > > > > > To: cf-community > > > > > > Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me reverse that then D. What percentage of obese people > > > > > > in > > North > > > > > > America can attribute their physical condition to handicaps? > > > > > > Is > it > > a > > > > > > significant enough number to disregard a common sense > > > > > > approach of eat right (ie. lots of veggies, not much fried > > > > > > or processed food) and exercise? If it is, then I'll happily > > > > > > apologize for > insinuating > > > > > > that the epidemic of obesity is largely self-inflicted and > > > preventable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Dana > > > > > > <dana.tier...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> really? How do you know if someone is handicapped? Lots of > > > > > >> debilitating conditions won't put you in a wheelchair. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Medic <hofme...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Right... the exceptions to the rule, which has nothing to > > > > > >>> do > with > > > > > >>> the > > > > > >> other > > > > > >>> 99.9% of obese people. :) > > > > > >>> I don't think anyone is bagging on overweight handicapped > people. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Eric Roberts < > > > > > >>> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Don't forget those who cannot exercise or cannot exercise > > > > > >>>> sufficiently > > > > > >>> due > > > > > >>>> to disabilities. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > > >>>> From: Dana [mailto:dana.tier...@gmail.com] > > > > > >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:16 PM > > > > > >>>> To: cf-community > > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: Obesity in Children > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> it's only a part of the problem, and only for some > > > > > >>>> people, is > > all > > > > > >>>> I am saying. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Someone who *used* to eat too much, or gained weight for > > > > > >>>> some other > > > > > >>> reason, > > > > > >>>> may have quite a good diet, which is keeping them from > > > > > >>>> gaining more but > > > > > >>> not > > > > > >>>> causing them to lose the extra they have. I think you > > > > > >>>> pretty > > much > > > > > >>>> have > > > > > >> to > > > > > >>>> exercise, and perhaps strenuously, to lose significant > > > > > >>>> weight > > and > > > > > >>>> keep > > > > > >> it > > > > > >>>> off. I for one lost about forty pounds in the past year, > > > > > >>>> but I was > > > > > >> quite > > > > > >>>> sick for a while and didn't eat much and what I did eat > > > > > >>>> was > raw. > > > > > >>>> That's fine, and I've been able to keep it off, but you > > > > > >>>> can't > > eat > > > > > >>>> all fruit > > > > > >> all > > > > > >>> of > > > > > >>>> the time and stay healthy. Before that, when I asked > > > > > >>>> doctors, > I > > > > > >>>> got different advice. Don't worry about carbs - just > > > > > >>>> avoid > fat. > > > > > >>>> Cut back on carbs. Eat nothing but protein, and don't > > > > > >>>> worry > too > > > > > >>>> much > > > > > > about the fat. > > > > > >>>> Count calories. Don't count calories, you'll make > > > > > >>>> yourself > crazy > > > > > >>>> -- > > > > > >> just > > > > > >>>> eat > > > > > >>>> right. Like I don't. I probably have better cholesterol > numbers > > > > > >>>> than > > > > > >>> anyone > > > > > >>>> on this list ;) > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> So.... I thought three times before getting into this, > because I > > > > > >>>> didn't want to sound defensive, or like I was making > > > > > >>>> excuses, > > but > > > > > >>>> this isn't really about me. I have more weight to lose > > > > > >>>> and am pretty sure that for me the > > > > > >>> key > > > > > >>>> will be increasing my activity level, but I don't think > > > > > >>>> that's the case > > > > > >>> for > > > > > >>>> everyone. My mother was a yo-yo dieter and crash programs > > > > > >>>> certainly > > > > > >>> didn't > > > > > >>>> work for her, and she did religiously swim three or four > times a > > > > > >>>> week > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>>> years. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> People gain weight for different reasons. The ones who > > > > > >>>> gain because > > > > > >> they > > > > > >>>> eat > > > > > >>>> too much eat too much for different reasons. There are > > > > > >>>> people > > who > > > > > >>>> have thyroid problems and people who just don't exercise. > > > > > >>>> One size does not > > > > > >>> fit > > > > > >>>> all, is what I am saying. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:37 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Which is where simply pushing away from the table comes > > > > > >>>>> in :) > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> See? Not ignorant at all. 2/3 accurate. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On 1/28/2012 4:08 PM, Medic wrote: > > > > > >>>>> The other two legs of the > > > > > >>>>>> stool though haven't changed since as long as I can > remember. > > > > > >>>>>> Reasonable portions and routine exercise. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:346158 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
