Exactly its like the argument that there never was an American people because they were mostly British, French or Spanish colonials.
On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com> wrote: > > There wasn't a country called India. There were huge number of ever > evolving kingdoms on the subcontinent. As far as I'm aware, none of > them were ever called India until they came together in the colonial > period. > > Anyway, I think the debate is a lot of academic bullshit. There are a > recognizeable set of people called Palenstinians. They have existed > there for hundreds of years if not millenia. Trying to disenfranchize > them based on whether or not they were a "protectorate" or some shit > seems like focusing on bullshit outside details of arcane law rather > than actually dealing with real people with real human rights on the > ground. > > Cheers, > Judah > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:57 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> India existed since the time of Alexander. >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Larry C. Lyons >> <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >>> India was a much more complex case. While it was an integral part of >>> the empire, it was ruled by a Viceroy, directly under the crown. That >>> is very difference from the commonwealth who were run by >>> Governor-Generals, and local parliaments. >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Eric Roberts >>> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > So was India... >>> > >>> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> >>> >> They were a British protectorate under that mandate, not a nation state, >>> >> nice try though. >>> >> >>> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com >>> >> >wrote: >>> >> >>> >> > >>> >> > durig the crusades it was its own kingdom. from 1918 through 1949 it >>> >> > was an independent country ruled under a League of Nations Mandate. >>> >> > >>> >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> > > >>> >> > > A subset of the roman empire yes? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > As in not an independent nation state? >>> >> > > >>> >> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> >> > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >> > > >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> Romans called it Palestine after they sent the Jews on their >>> >> > diaspora...it >>> >> > >> wasn't a subset, but the entire area... >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] >>> >> > >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:59 PM >>> >> > >> To: cf-community >>> >> > >> Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border And >>> >> > Waiting >>> >> > >> For A Western Attack >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> When was it anything else but a subsection of another country? >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> You know when? When it was Judea, that's when. >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Eric Roberts < >>> >> > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > How is that? There is documentation going back to the Roman >>> empire >>> >> > >> > calling he region Palestine... >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >>> >> > >> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] >>> >> > >> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:04 PM >>> >> > >> > To: cf-community >>> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border >>> And >>> >> > >> > Waiting For A Western Attack >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Agreed. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > That's why the way I see out of this mess requires us to use >>> >> > >> > overwhelming force against them. To the point of capitulation. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > This won't work as a one nation solution though. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Ok, look, I have spent years of my life in Muslim countries. Not >>> >> just >>> >> > >> > Afghanistan, but places like Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi, Qatar, and >>> >> various >>> >> > >> > stans. >>> >> > >> > There are distinct cultural differences in many of these >>> countries, >>> >> > >> > but Islam is the one unifying force, the Umma. Islam is not >>> just a >>> >> > >> > religion, but a social and political system as well. It requires >>> >> > >> > total submission of the individual and the will, suspension of >>> >> logic. >>> >> > >> > It was started by a merchant warlord who also happened to be a >>> >> > >> > pedophile, who advocated the murder, rape and enslavement of >>> >> anyone >>> >> > >> > who didn't agree with his ideas. I have read of the Qur'an and >>> the >>> >> > >> > Sunnah, and I know what they say. This so called religion of >>> peace >>> >> > >> > has been an evil bloody thorn in our side since before the >>> founding >>> >> of >>> >> > >> > our nation (Barbary wars?) and will continue to be so until it is >>> >> > >> > stamped out. It is an ideology as evil, or even more so, as >>> that of >>> >> > >> > fascism or communism. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > You can lie, cheat and steal from the infidel, take them as >>> slaves, >>> >> > >> > sexually assault them, charge them fess to live among you. Free >>> >> > >> > speech and free will are totally alien concepts. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > I am not a man of strong religious convictions., a true >>> agnostic, I >>> >> > >> > have no idea what if anything is out there. To be honest I don't >>> >> > >> > understand anyone, no matter the religion, that claims to have >>> >> > >> > knowledge of the "true faith". >>> >> > >> > Yet I see in Islam something worse then simple religion. Maybe >>> >> there >>> >> > >> > can be a reformation, like with Christianity. I have my doubts >>> >> where >>> >> > >> > that is concerned though. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > The minority of "moderate muslims", and I do know some, refuse to >>> >> take >>> >> > >> > a stand against their brothers in most cases, because they know >>> that >>> >> > >> > the extremists are correct in their readings, and that their >>> actions >>> >> > >> > are blessed by the religious establishments, and called for by >>> their >>> >> > >> > guiding books. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > Islam (the word in Arabic) means submission. It's teachings and >>> >> > >> > principles follow from that starting pioint. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > It is more complex even, hell I know it ends the argument, but >>> many >>> >> of >>> >> > >> > the current crop of issues we have can even be tied directly to >>> the >>> >> > >> > Nazi's, the Baath parties were founded by men that modeled them >>> >> > >> > directly on the NSDAP and they were supported politically and >>> >> > >> > financially by the Nazis. The "Palestinian Issue" was further >>> >> > >> > inflamed by the Nazis (not to mention that no such country of >>> >> > Palestine >>> >> > >> ever existed but thats another argument). >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > I don't see many things as EVILT, but in Islam I find the label >>> >> > fitting. >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:39 PM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, LRS Scout < >>> lrssc...@gmail.com> >>> >> > >> wrote: >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > Look, we screwed up, overthrew their government and put a tin >>> >> pot >>> >> > >> > > dictator >>> >> > >> > > > in power. They revolted and created their bat shit crazy >>> >> Islamic >>> >> > >> > > > republic. It should have and could have ended there. I >>> mean it >>> >> > >> > > > took us >>> >> > >> > > a >>> >> > >> > > > while to get ove the revolutionary war, but now we're the >>> best >>> >> of >>> >> > >> > > > friends with England. These guys just really don't know >>> when to >>> >> > >> > > > let >>> >> > >> > shit go. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > After the embassy hostages were released when they were so >>> >> scared >>> >> > >> > > > of >>> >> > >> > > Reagan >>> >> > >> > > > they could have reentered the world stage, but instead went >>> >> into a >>> >> > >> > > > long protracted war with Iraq. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > > Do I know bad decision were made by the CIA? Yes. That >>> doesn't >>> >> > >> > > > mean >>> >> > >> > > they >>> >> > >> > > > should be shipping weapons to Afghans decades later. >>> >> > >> > > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > well that's the problem. Once you start fucking with people, >>> >> there's >>> >> > >> > > no guarantee they are going to stop fucking with you >>> back...just >>> >> > >> > > because you ask them nicely or call "time out" >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> > >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > > >>> >> > > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:349969 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
