Are you claiming they are a separate ethnic or racial people? >From my understanding they are Arabs.
As to India, I was wrong, guess that's why the Pakistan/Kashmir stuff is so heavy. On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com>wrote: > > There wasn't a country called India. There were huge number of ever > evolving kingdoms on the subcontinent. As far as I'm aware, none of > them were ever called India until they came together in the colonial > period. > > Anyway, I think the debate is a lot of academic bullshit. There are a > recognizeable set of people called Palenstinians. They have existed > there for hundreds of years if not millenia. Trying to disenfranchize > them based on whether or not they were a "protectorate" or some shit > seems like focusing on bullshit outside details of arcane law rather > than actually dealing with real people with real human rights on the > ground. > > Cheers, > Judah > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 8:57 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > India existed since the time of Alexander. > > > > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > >> > >> India was a much more complex case. While it was an integral part of > >> the empire, it was ruled by a Viceroy, directly under the crown. That > >> is very difference from the commonwealth who were run by > >> Governor-Generals, and local parliaments. > >> > >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Eric Roberts > >> <ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> > > >> > So was India... > >> > > >> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:40 AM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> >> > >> >> They were a British protectorate under that mandate, not a nation > state, > >> >> nice try though. > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 7:51 AM, Larry C. Lyons < > larrycly...@gmail.com > >> >> >wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > durig the crusades it was its own kingdom. from 1918 through 1949 > it > >> >> > was an independent country ruled under a League of Nations Mandate. > >> >> > > >> >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:20 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > > A subset of the roman empire yes? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > As in not an independent nation state? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:00 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> >> > > ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> > > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> Romans called it Palestine after they sent the Jews on their > >> >> > diaspora...it > >> >> > >> wasn't a subset, but the entire area... > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > >> >> > >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 6:59 PM > >> >> > >> To: cf-community > >> >> > >> Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern Border > And > >> >> > Waiting > >> >> > >> For A Western Attack > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> When was it anything else but a subsection of another country? > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> You know when? When it was Judea, that's when. > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Eric Roberts < > >> >> > >> ow...@threeravensconsulting.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > How is that? There is documentation going back to the Roman > >> empire > >> >> > >> > calling he region Palestine... > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> > >> > From: LRS Scout [mailto:lrssc...@gmail.com] > >> >> > >> > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 1:04 PM > >> >> > >> > To: cf-community > >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: Russia Is Massing Troops On Iran's Northern > Border > >> And > >> >> > >> > Waiting For A Western Attack > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Agreed. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > That's why the way I see out of this mess requires us to use > >> >> > >> > overwhelming force against them. To the point of > capitulation. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > This won't work as a one nation solution though. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Ok, look, I have spent years of my life in Muslim countries. > Not > >> >> just > >> >> > >> > Afghanistan, but places like Egypt, Kuwait, Saudi, Qatar, and > >> >> various > >> >> > >> > stans. > >> >> > >> > There are distinct cultural differences in many of these > >> countries, > >> >> > >> > but Islam is the one unifying force, the Umma. Islam is not > >> just a > >> >> > >> > religion, but a social and political system as well. It > requires > >> >> > >> > total submission of the individual and the will, suspension of > >> >> logic. > >> >> > >> > It was started by a merchant warlord who also happened to be a > >> >> > >> > pedophile, who advocated the murder, rape and enslavement of > >> >> anyone > >> >> > >> > who didn't agree with his ideas. I have read of the Qur'an > and > >> the > >> >> > >> > Sunnah, and I know what they say. This so called religion of > >> peace > >> >> > >> > has been an evil bloody thorn in our side since before the > >> founding > >> >> of > >> >> > >> > our nation (Barbary wars?) and will continue to be so until > it is > >> >> > >> > stamped out. It is an ideology as evil, or even more so, as > >> that of > >> >> > >> > fascism or communism. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > You can lie, cheat and steal from the infidel, take them as > >> slaves, > >> >> > >> > sexually assault them, charge them fess to live among you. > Free > >> >> > >> > speech and free will are totally alien concepts. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > I am not a man of strong religious convictions., a true > >> agnostic, I > >> >> > >> > have no idea what if anything is out there. To be honest I > don't > >> >> > >> > understand anyone, no matter the religion, that claims to have > >> >> > >> > knowledge of the "true faith". > >> >> > >> > Yet I see in Islam something worse then simple religion. > Maybe > >> >> there > >> >> > >> > can be a reformation, like with Christianity. I have my > doubts > >> >> where > >> >> > >> > that is concerned though. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > The minority of "moderate muslims", and I do know some, > refuse to > >> >> take > >> >> > >> > a stand against their brothers in most cases, because they > know > >> that > >> >> > >> > the extremists are correct in their readings, and that their > >> actions > >> >> > >> > are blessed by the religious establishments, and called for by > >> their > >> >> > >> > guiding books. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > Islam (the word in Arabic) means submission. It's teachings > and > >> >> > >> > principles follow from that starting pioint. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > It is more complex even, hell I know it ends the argument, but > >> many > >> >> of > >> >> > >> > the current crop of issues we have can even be tied directly > to > >> the > >> >> > >> > Nazi's, the Baath parties were founded by men that modeled > them > >> >> > >> > directly on the NSDAP and they were supported politically and > >> >> > >> > financially by the Nazis. The "Palestinian Issue" was further > >> >> > >> > inflamed by the Nazis (not to mention that no such country of > >> >> > Palestine > >> >> > >> ever existed but thats another argument). > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > I don't see many things as EVILT, but in Islam I find the > label > >> >> > fitting. > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 1:39 PM, GMoney <gm0n3...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 12:13 PM, LRS Scout < > >> lrssc...@gmail.com> > >> >> > >> wrote: > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Look, we screwed up, overthrew their government and put a > tin > >> >> pot > >> >> > >> > > dictator > >> >> > >> > > > in power. They revolted and created their bat shit crazy > >> >> Islamic > >> >> > >> > > > republic. It should have and could have ended there. I > >> mean it > >> >> > >> > > > took us > >> >> > >> > > a > >> >> > >> > > > while to get ove the revolutionary war, but now we're the > >> best > >> >> of > >> >> > >> > > > friends with England. These guys just really don't know > >> when to > >> >> > >> > > > let > >> >> > >> > shit go. > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > After the embassy hostages were released when they were so > >> >> scared > >> >> > >> > > > of > >> >> > >> > > Reagan > >> >> > >> > > > they could have reentered the world stage, but instead > went > >> >> into a > >> >> > >> > > > long protracted war with Iraq. > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > Do I know bad decision were made by the CIA? Yes. That > >> doesn't > >> >> > >> > > > mean > >> >> > >> > > they > >> >> > >> > > > should be shipping weapons to Afghans decades later. > >> >> > >> > > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > well that's the problem. Once you start fucking with people, > >> >> there's > >> >> > >> > > no guarantee they are going to stop fucking with you > >> back...just > >> >> > >> > > because you ask them nicely or call "time out" > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:349968 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
