my bad, this is why I should not multitask. I mean the biter, er, chewer, er assaillant.
On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 11:36 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > No one had a knife. > > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Dana <dana.tier...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > IANA EMT. But infection does come to mind. When I was in the hospital a > > > few years back with the flesh-eating bacteria thing, I had to have the > > > dressings changed like twice a day in the wound care department by > people > > > who specialized in these dressings. > > > > > > > One of the fun facts that came up in conversation with them was that > > > hospitalizations for infected wounds are actually quite common and some > > of > > > the worst are caused by the human mouth. Usually people injuring their > > > hands on other people's teeth. Pretty sure they said these wounds were > > > worse than dog bites. > > > > > > Also, didn't I read that the victim was missing a big part of his face > > > including most of his nose? That's pretty extensive damage that has a > > good > > > chance of getting infected. > > > > > > However I am not sure the policeman did not escalate too fast to deadly > > > force. No doubt he was understandably horrified, but that doesn't make > > his > > > actions correct. That said -- I hate to second-guess a cop in a > situation > > > like that. Possibly he got the victim away just in time to save his > > life. A > > > lot depends on details we don't know. Did he warn the guy with the > knife? > > > Was he ignoring him? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:15 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Weren't you an EMT? > > >> > > >> Please tell me how facial bites can kill you? > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 8:58 PM, PT <cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > > >> > On 5/29/2012 7:39 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 4:26 PM, PT<cft...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > >> > > >> > >> If I were the victim, I would tell the cop to fill him up. > > >> > > > > >> > > Which is why we have trained police officers deal with these > > >> > > situations and not freaked out victims. > > >> > > > >> > I doubt they covered this particular type of incident at cop school. > > >> > > > >> > >> Chewing on someone's face is a seriously life threatening > > situation. > > >> I > > >> > >> would treat the attacker as if he were armed with a knife. If > you > > >> wield > > >> > >> a fatal weapon, be prepared to be subjected to deadly force. > > >> > > > > >> > > Every person has teeth, therefore by this logic, everyone who may > > use > > >> > > their teeth should be prepared to be shot with a gun. > > >> > > > >> > That is not what I said at all. So you can apply logic to a > > nonexistent > > >> > point as much as you want. Doing so changes nothing. > > >> > > > >> > We generally > > >> > > also train police to take down people even wielding knives with > less > > >> > > than deadly force. > > >> > > > >> > BS. We know that if a person with a knife gets within 20 feet of an > > >> > officer who has their handgun holstered, the attacker can be on the > > >> > officer and cause a fatal wound before the officer can draw their > > weapon > > >> > to fire .. even if the attacker announces their intention before > they > > >> > begin. > > >> > > > >> > Sure, everyone has teeth. Many people have knives too. The problem > > >> > comes when you start using them as deadly weapons. If you do, you > > >> > shouldn't be surprised that someone uses deadly force in return. I > > >> > don't expect the police to bust in my kitchen and shoot me because I > > am > > >> > slicing a tomato, but I would expect them to shoot my ass if I were > > >> > holding that knife to someone's throat. Do you really think they > > should > > >> > try batons or tasers in such an situation? > > >> > > > >> > I have seen tasers fail. I have seen people not jacked up on drugs > > walk > > >> > off a bean bag hit. Unfortunately, the only sure thing available > was > > >> > probably the pistol. what do you do? You can choose a less than > > lethal > > >> > device which is not guaranteed to have the desired effect and maybe > > >> > waste time or put the officer in immediate danger, or go with with > the > > >> > almost 100% sure bet and shoot the attacker and probably save the > > >> victim. > > >> > > > >> > You can stand there with your taser trying to put down a guy who is > > >> > batshit insane and is likely feeling no pain, and only end up > pissing > > >> > him off if you want. The dude was actively endangering the other > > guy's > > >> > life. Each bite could have easily been fatal. Deadly force was > > >> > acceptable. > > >> > > > >> > > I sure as hell am glad you aren't a cop. > > >> > > > >> > So am I. They have to make too many life and death decisions > quickly. > > >> > This situation did not have a perfect outcome, but the officer lived > > and > > >> > the victim lived (so far), so it is acceptable considering the > > >> > circumstances. > > >> > > > >> > > As stated earlier in the thread, there are many options available > to > > >> > > try and remove a threat far short of using your gun. Batons, > tasers, > > >> > > bean bag rounds, etc. No one was saying that the police shouldn't > > have > > >> > > stepped in to help the victim. They were saying that the police, > in > > >> > > this case, seem to have skipped over a bunch of less lethal > options > > >> > > and gone right to using their guns. Generally considered a mark of > > >> > > poor training. > > >> > > > >> > Or a sign that they had fewer options than you seem to think they > had. > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > J > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/messageid:351599 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/subscribe.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/unsubscribe.cfm
