Not really the Airborne was a bastard child that was a feel good
effort. After the Airborne was disbanded in shame (only Canadian
regiment to have suffered that, and rightly so), the capacity was
transferred to the light infantry battalions of the reg forces and one
reserve battalion. In other words old wine in new bottles. It didn't
have any significant history, only formed in 1968. Besides it was a
unit of convience, a tactical formation manned from other regiments
and branches. When I was with the 3rd Mechanized Commando (not what
you think - a designation for a demi battalion), we were assigned to
the Airborne since they didn't know where to put us. Our motto was the
Few, The Proud, the Speedbumps.

As for screwing up the special ops forces, they were already in
existence, rather they were organic. There were specialist companies,
platoons and squad throughout the army, even in the reserve forces.
Some time I'll have to tell you about the Killarney Ranger. About a
third of the officers and NCO's of my home regiment had already gone
through either the special operations training of the Canadian Army,
or Ranger training down in the US. So the capacity was always there,
just not limited to one unit. I personally think that it results in a
stronger presence throughout the military. You're seeing only the
surface, and missing the real organic capacity.  I suspect that sort
of capacity was why the army was able to hold down Kandahar with only
about a third of the forces used by the American forces who later
replaced the Canadian contingent in Afghanistan.

And yes Canada has a history of that. And a history of violations.
After the d'Ardene Massacres in 1944. Canadians took very few
prisoners after that until the end of the European theatre. Given what
the Japanese did to Canadian prisoners of war, it would have been much
worse if Canada became involved in the Pacific theatre, as was
planned.

The end thign is that West was an officer, he knew better and did not
give a damn, after all it was just another rag head or carpet rider.

On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:29 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not surprised, you were an officer, and let's be honest Canadians are
> way more into these kinds of things than we Americans are.
>
> Although I think you guys screwed up with your Airborne and SOF forces
> before the JTF.
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:25 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > I learned my stuff from a set of very good Canadian military lawyers. They
> > later trained the lawyers who later went on to try the members of the
> > airborne regiment who tortured and killed that Somali teenager. We followed
> > the full protocols and had that endlessly drilled into us. A guy I went
> > through basic with was kicked out during our 2nd training summer for
> > roughing up an opfor during an exercise. the formal charge was a geneva
> > conventions violation. He got to resign instead, which pissed off  the rest
> > of us.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:21 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Interpreted by some, not by anyone that ever trained me.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Larry C. Lyons <larrycly...@gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > He was an allied police officer. He was on the same side.
> > > >
> > > > That said, according to how the 3rd Convention is interpreted - quoting
> > > > from the ICRC here which governs the Geneva Conventions:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.icrc.org/eng/resources/documents/misc/57jnuy.htm
> > > >
> > > > " Consequently, the Protocol relaxed the obligation for combatants to
> > > wear
> > > > a distinctive sign at all times, something which guerrilla fighters
> > > > consider an obstacle to successful operations. The Protocol requires
> > > > combatants to distinguish themselves from the civilian population while
> > > > they are engaged in an attack or in a military operation preparatory to
> > > an
> > > > attack. What is more, in particular instances (occupied territories,
> > > > so-called asymetric conflicts setting regular armed forces against
> > > > guerrilla fighters), it suffices for guerrilla fighters to distinguish
> > > > themselves from the civilian population by carrying their arms openly
> > > (i.e.
> > > > visibly) during military engagements and before launching an attack. "
> > > >
> > > > The uniform requirement is bs then.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:58 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Geneva doesn't apply.  Dude was not in a uniform, with a flag, or
> > > > carrying
> > > > > a Geneva convention ID card.  All of which are required for the
> > > > convention
> > > > > to pertan.
> > > > >
> > > > > That being said, we shouldn't have been there in the first place.
> > > > >
> > > > > Look man, you've never had to wonder if you were gonna get raped and
> > > have
> > > > > your head cut off, it was a regular topic of conversation for us.
> > > > > Something we had to deal with and think about how we'd rather eat our
> > > > last
> > > > > bullet than be caught by the enemy.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the end though, you're right we need to be involved in far less
> > > > > conflicts, none without an actual declaration of war as far as I'm
> > > > > concerned.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Judah McAuley <ju...@wiredotter.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beating a human being, threatening them with death and making them
> > > > > believe
> > > > > > that they are about to die will never be minor. Ever.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact that the guy that West threatened also appears to be
> > > entirely
> > > > > > innocent is apparently beside the fact to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The fact that the guy that West beat was supposed to be our ally
> > also
> > > > is
> > > > > > apparently beside the fact to you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I understand your point about war, but that's not how we are
> > > supposedly
> > > > > > fighting it. Add in the fact that we invaded a sovereign country
> > > under
> > > > > the
> > > > > > auspices of lies and we created the damn "enemy" ourselves and you
> > > > start
> > > > > to
> > > > > > understand why I think that Bush was a war criminal.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > War is hell. And we need to be involved in a lot less of them. None
> > > the
> > > > > > less, West signed up under a set of rules and he flagrantly
> > disobeyed
> > > > > them.
> > > > > > He committed immoral and illegal acts and ought to have gone to
> > jail.
> > > > He
> > > > > > got off easy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Judah
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:40 PM, LRS Scout <lrssc...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Honestly, yes I should.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > To my mind that convention should never have been signed, but
> > that
> > > > > > doesn't
> > > > > > > mean we can ignore it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > War can't be fought according to rules.  It should only be done
> > to
> > > > > > totally
> > > > > > > destroy the capabilities and will of the enemy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That being said this is a pretty damned minor violation, and I
> > > don't
> > > > > > equate
> > > > > > > being roghed up with torture.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, take a look at what ti has to say about spies and sabatuers,
> > > > > summary
> > > > > > > execution, so dude got off easy to my mind.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> 

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