"Even claiming to know what Jesus (or anyone in the Bible) really said can be
debated."

Of course it's debatable.  Anything attributed to a historical figure from
thousands of years ago is debatable.


"It's what the church *claims* he said. Which, as Judith pointed out
earlier in this thread is ((translation of a translation) ^ N) of a text
that was written by a group of people who's identity or intentions are
impossible
to verify (at worst) or a faithful conclusion based on minimal evidence (at
best)."

All I would say is "Which church?"

The Roman Catholic, the Anglican, Greek Orthodox, Protestants, etc.  Or the
Church that formed within months of the death of Jesus, which contained
many people who were alive during the life of Jesus, including apostles and
disciples.  Some of these letters from the period date as early as 51AD.
 While people claim Jesus may have meant one thing or another, anyone who
is interested can research on his or her own using information that is very
close to the source in order to make their own informed opinion.


J

-
You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out
of freedom. When half of the people get an idea that they do not have to
work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the
other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else
is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end
of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. - Adrian Pierce
Rogers


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