Yes -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:58 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: How free are we?
Something else about this issue, and I am not a religious person, just very literal in my interpretation of the constitution. Shouldn't making prayer illegal be against the first amendment? The first to parts of the following sentence would pertain. Amendment I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. Wouldn't making prayer illegal be prohibiting religions free exercise? Tim -----Original Message----- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:phoeunp@;entelligence.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:47 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: How free are we? Yes I've read the papersin HS and debated on them heavily especially on Separation of Church and State. THe Constitution says that CONGRESS cannot ESTABLISH a religion blah blah blah. But it does not specifically the STATE can't do it. -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Heald [mailto:healdt@;dsmail.state.gov] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:44 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: How free are we? It wasn't just passion. They didn't write the constitution in a day. It was heavily debated. If you want to get a really good sense of the thoughts of the founders you should read the federalist and the anti-federalist papers. It may change your mind on what was intended as the course of law in this country. Now I am not saying that we should tie ourselves to what was believed over 200 years ago, just that we need to stop writing extra-constitutional law and start following the amendment process. Kind of like with CF. Yeah you can use cfinsert, but it's just not right :) Tim -----Original Message----- From: Phoeun Pha [mailto:phoeunp@;entelligence.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 1:35 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: How free are we? Does anybody ever consider that the constitution was written under a state of passion? You know what that feels like. You do things out of gut feelings and not out of clear thinking. I mean if today was 9/12/01 and we declared war on Iraq, almost 100% of us will go for it. Remember a prominent news source did a survey a few weeks after 9/11 asking Americans if they would like to have non-citizens wear ID badges....and I think 40% or 50% said YES. Kinda like what Nazis did to the Jews... And I am sure those numbers would have changed by now. We were just under passion :) -----Original Message----- From: Jacob [mailto:jacob@;excaliburfilms.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:26 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: How free are we? Double-standards in the U.S. Government... never! Actually, I was trying to say that the 3rd amendment is really not needed. It was added because when the Brits came over in the 1700s, they forced their ways into the home of those living here. If it ever gets to a point where we have to house troops in our homes during a war, we will lose the war. At 12:14 PM 10/23/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Ah, you're pointing out the U.S. double-standard. Our laws apply to us but >nobody else, and not our military when dealing with non-US citizens, and >even then not when it's a military matter, and... > >-Kevin Graeme > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jacob [mailto:jacob@;excaliburfilms.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:04 PM > > To: CF-Community > > Subject: RE: How free are we? > > > > > > Exactly... With Bush sending troop to Afghanistan and Iraq, the Federal > > Government will start housing troops in the residences of those living in > > Enid, OK... > > > > At 12:47 PM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >I still think it is very important to note that soldiers cannot be > > >garrisoned in your home. That was a major issue, and with these > > uncertain > > >times I could see it eventually becoming important again. > > > > > > > > >That's the 3rd right? > > > > > >Tim > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jacob@;excaliburfilms.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:34 PM > > >To: CF-Community > > >Subject: RE: How free are we? > > > > > > > > >Do you like 3rd amendment? Why is there no debate of that one? It was > > >more important than the 4th or 5th amendment back in the 1780. > > > > > >At 12:13 PM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > >Ok, > > > > I reread my earlier post and I guess I need to be > > more obvious in > > > > my attempts at humor. > > > > > > > > I am not anti-ACLU or privacy rights or any other type of > > > > rights. I am a libertarian, don't confuse my stance on firearms with > > > > membership or agreement with the republicans and their conservative > > > > views. I like all ten of our initial amendments just fine, > > and I defend > > > > them all. Hell, I think that dna evidence should be banned > > because you > > > > are in essence making a defendant testify against themselves > > (unless you > > > > can get the sample through other legal means, like searching > > their trash > > > > or what have you). > > > > > > > >Tim > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:jacob@;excaliburfilms.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:57 AM > > > >To: CF-Community > > > >Subject: Re: How free are we? > > > > > > > > > > > >A DDOS attack from ACLU launched on whitehouse.gov servers > > that backfired... > > > > > > > >At 11:45 AM 10/23/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >DoS attack from whitehouse.gov? > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 11:33 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: How free are we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah their app keeps throwing CF server errors... sever is either > > > > > > restarting service or is timing out.. growl... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Paris Lundis > > > > > > Founder > > > > > > Areaindex, L.L.C. > > > > > > http://www.areaindex.com > > > > > > http://www.pubcrawler.com > > > > > > 412-292-3135 > > > > > > [finding the future in the past, passing the future in > > the present] > > > > > > [connecting people, places and things] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists&body=lists/cf_community Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
