From what I understand, the Portuguese introduced chattel slavery to medieval/modern Europe in the 14th century, and the Islamic Arabs did the same to the middle east in the 7th century AD. Before that the Romans and the Germanic tribes had similar systems, but at least the slave could buy his way out of slavery.
larry At 12:08 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: >slave?!?! a european with a slave!?! > >aack!! no no it was only we Americans who ever had slaves... > >Rather his "Personal Assistant" Molluccas was first to circumnavigate, yes? > >^_^ > >"Personal Assistant" more euro-friendly... > >Still... how long did it take for that particular record to come to light? > >will >---- > >William H. Bowen >Webmaster > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.esca.com/ > >425.739.3629 Voice >425.466.7016 Cell >425.739.3690 FAX >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:47 AM >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > One of the members of the crew was Magellan's slave who was from the > > Molluccas. After the Philippines, the ships stopped at these Islands on >the > > way back to Spain, making that particular person literally the first to > > have circumnavigated the globe. > > > > larry > > > > At 11:38 AM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > > 98% of the crews died. > > > > > >Including Magellan, IIRC... > > > > > > > > >will > > >---- > > > > > >William H. Bowen > > >Webmaster > > > > > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > > > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > >425.739.3629 Voice > > >425.466.7016 Cell > > >425.739.3690 FAX > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:33 AM > > >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia did not have the space arm for this trip, and >unfortunately > > > > they were not equipped for an EVA. How could they have checked the >tiles? > > > > Its unfortunate, but all exploration is very risky. Consider this > > > > Magellan's expedition was the first to circumnavigate the globe. Of >the > > > > approximately 500 men and 5 ships, 18 survived - 98% of the crews >died. > > >Did > > > > that stop exploration? We are in the same situation now. The costs are > > > > nothing compared to what can be gained. > > > > > > > > You don't like the space program, then stop using its benefits. Stop > > >using > > > > the Internet and your computer. If you go for medical treatment, a lot >of > > > > modern medicine has benefited from the space program. It also means >you > > > > need to stop watching Television or listening to radio - both >technologies > > > > have immensely improved because of NASA and the space program. You eat > > > > frozen or preserved foods? Will have to stop that. In the 1970's the > > >Office > > > > of Technology Assessment, part of the Congressional Budget Office, > > > > estimated that technologically the US leaped ahead 25 to 50 years >directly > > > > because of the space program. Isn't that a benefit? > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > At 09:16 AM 2/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > >what? Thats crazy talk their budget has been squeezed so much and > > >sometimes > > > > >shit happens > > > > >They died doing something they believed, they know they could >possibliy > > >die. > > > > >Of course i find it alittle annoying they dont check the tiles in >space > > > > >everytime. I mean i would have assumed thats something they do a >little > > > > >space walk for to at least look. Maybe after this it might become > > >something > > > > >that IS done to be safe, dock the shuttle with the space station and > > >check > > > > >out the tiles. > > > > > > > > > >Some people think going into space is a waste but I think they are >wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:10 AM > > > > >Subject: RE: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would they die for no reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they died to save other lives, by showing the program to be >non > > > > > > feasible with too high a risk to the US economy and human life. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > > > You know up until i read that the Columbia was the only shuttle > > >without > > > > > > the ability to dock with the space station i figured it would be > > >common > > > > > > sense to at least have the people go out and check out the bottom >of > > >the > > > > > > ship. And ok maybe you can't readd the tiles but at least you can >dock > > > > > > with the space station and wait for another shuttle to come up and > > >give > > > > > > some equipment to fix it. Or at the least you save the lives of >the > > > > > > astronauts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And i also read on msnbc somewhere a quote from the Nasa >Administrator > > > > > > that this will probably mean the end of the shuttle program and >the > > > > > > International Space Station. I'm looking for the link but that >would > > > > > > defiantly suck those people dieing for no reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. 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