Yes, yes I know...but it seems lately that most of the history of slavery has been...ahem...brushed aside in favor busting America's (or American's) collective balls over the issue...
will ---- William H. Bowen Webmaster ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business "Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.esca.com/ 425.739.3629 Voice 425.466.7016 Cell 425.739.3690 FAX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:23 PM Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > From what I understand, the Portuguese introduced chattel slavery to > medieval/modern Europe in the 14th century, and the Islamic Arabs did the > same to the middle east in the 7th century AD. Before that the Romans and > the Germanic tribes had similar systems, but at least the slave could buy > his way out of slavery. > > larry > > At 12:08 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: > >slave?!?! a european with a slave!?! > > > >aack!! no no it was only we Americans who ever had slaves... > > > >Rather his "Personal Assistant" Molluccas was first to circumnavigate, yes? > > > >^_^ > > > >"Personal Assistant" more euro-friendly... > > > >Still... how long did it take for that particular record to come to light? > > > >will > >---- > > > >William H. Bowen > >Webmaster > > > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >http://www.esca.com/ > > > >425.739.3629 Voice > >425.466.7016 Cell > >425.739.3690 FAX > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:47 AM > >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > One of the members of the crew was Magellan's slave who was from the > > > Molluccas. After the Philippines, the ships stopped at these Islands on > >the > > > way back to Spain, making that particular person literally the first to > > > have circumnavigated the globe. > > > > > > larry > > > > > > At 11:38 AM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > 98% of the crews died. > > > > > > > >Including Magellan, IIRC... > > > > > > > > > > > >will > > > >---- > > > > > > > >William H. Bowen > > > >Webmaster > > > > > > > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > > > > > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > > > >425.739.3629 Voice > > > >425.466.7016 Cell > > > >425.739.3690 FAX > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:33 AM > > > >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia did not have the space arm for this trip, and > >unfortunately > > > > > they were not equipped for an EVA. How could they have checked the > >tiles? > > > > > Its unfortunate, but all exploration is very risky. Consider this > > > > > Magellan's expedition was the first to circumnavigate the globe. Of > >the > > > > > approximately 500 men and 5 ships, 18 survived - 98% of the crews > >died. > > > >Did > > > > > that stop exploration? We are in the same situation now. The costs are > > > > > nothing compared to what can be gained. > > > > > > > > > > You don't like the space program, then stop using its benefits. Stop > > > >using > > > > > the Internet and your computer. If you go for medical treatment, a lot > >of > > > > > modern medicine has benefited from the space program. It also means > >you > > > > > need to stop watching Television or listening to radio - both > >technologies > > > > > have immensely improved because of NASA and the space program. You eat > > > > > frozen or preserved foods? Will have to stop that. In the 1970's the > > > >Office > > > > > of Technology Assessment, part of the Congressional Budget Office, > > > > > estimated that technologically the US leaped ahead 25 to 50 years > >directly > > > > > because of the space program. Isn't that a benefit? > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > At 09:16 AM 2/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >what? Thats crazy talk their budget has been squeezed so much and > > > >sometimes > > > > > >shit happens > > > > > >They died doing something they believed, they know they could > >possibliy > > > >die. > > > > > >Of course i find it alittle annoying they dont check the tiles in > >space > > > > > >everytime. I mean i would have assumed thats something they do a > >little > > > > > >space walk for to at least look. Maybe after this it might become > > > >something > > > > > >that IS done to be safe, dock the shuttle with the space station and > > > >check > > > > > >out the tiles. > > > > > > > > > > > >Some people think going into space is a waste but I think they are > >wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:10 AM > > > > > >Subject: RE: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would they die for no reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they died to save other lives, by showing the program to be > >non > > > > > > > feasible with too high a risk to the US economy and human life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know up until i read that the Columbia was the only shuttle > > > >without > > > > > > > the ability to dock with the space station i figured it would be > > > >common > > > > > > > sense to at least have the people go out and check out the bottom > >of > > > >the > > > > > > > ship. And ok maybe you can't readd the tiles but at least you can > >dock > > > > > > > with the space station and wait for another shuttle to come up and > > > >give > > > > > > > some equipment to fix it. Or at the least you save the lives of > >the > > > > > > > astronauts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And i also read on msnbc somewhere a quote from the Nasa > >Administrator > > > > > > > that this will probably mean the end of the shuttle program and > >the > > > > > > > International Space Station. I'm looking for the link but that > >would > > > > > > > defiantly suck those people dieing for no reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. 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