Agreed, Brazil had slavery for about 20 years after the US banned it. Formal chattel slavery was not banned in imperial Russia until the late 1880's, early 1890's. China didn't ban slavery until Chiang-Kai-Shek's regime in the 1920's.The Sudan right now allows slavery, and has military slaving expeditions into the southern part of the country that's been in rebellion for the last 50 years or so.
larry At 12:38 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: >Yes, yes I know...but it seems lately that most of the history of slavery >has been...ahem...brushed aside in favor busting America's (or American's) >collective balls over the issue... > > >will >---- > >William H. Bowen >Webmaster > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.esca.com/ > >425.739.3629 Voice >425.466.7016 Cell >425.739.3690 FAX >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 12:23 PM >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > From what I understand, the Portuguese introduced chattel slavery to > > medieval/modern Europe in the 14th century, and the Islamic Arabs did the > > same to the middle east in the 7th century AD. Before that the Romans and > > the Germanic tribes had similar systems, but at least the slave could buy > > his way out of slavery. > > > > larry > > > > At 12:08 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: > > >slave?!?! a european with a slave!?! > > > > > >aack!! no no it was only we Americans who ever had slaves... > > > > > >Rather his "Personal Assistant" Molluccas was first to circumnavigate, >yes? > > > > > >^_^ > > > > > >"Personal Assistant" more euro-friendly... > > > > > >Still... how long did it take for that particular record to come to >light? > > > > > >will > > >---- > > > > > >William H. Bowen > > >Webmaster > > > > > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > > > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > >425.739.3629 Voice > > >425.466.7016 Cell > > >425.739.3690 FAX > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 11:47 AM > > >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > One of the members of the crew was Magellan's slave who was from the > > > > Molluccas. After the Philippines, the ships stopped at these Islands >on > > >the > > > > way back to Spain, making that particular person literally the first >to > > > > have circumnavigated the globe. > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > At 11:38 AM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: > > > > > > 98% of the crews died. > > > > > > > > > >Including Magellan, IIRC... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >will > > > > >---- > > > > > > > > > >William H. Bowen > > > > >Webmaster > > > > > > > > > >ALSTOM's T&D Energy Automation & Information Business > > > > > > > > > >"Your friendly neighborhood Webmaster!" > > > > > > > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > >http://www.esca.com/ > > > > > > > > > >425.739.3629 Voice > > > > >425.466.7016 Cell > > > > >425.739.3690 FAX > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:33 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Columbia did not have the space arm for this trip, and > > >unfortunately > > > > > > they were not equipped for an EVA. How could they have checked the > > >tiles? > > > > > > Its unfortunate, but all exploration is very risky. Consider this > > > > > > Magellan's expedition was the first to circumnavigate the globe. >Of > > >the > > > > > > approximately 500 men and 5 ships, 18 survived - 98% of the crews > > >died. > > > > >Did > > > > > > that stop exploration? We are in the same situation now. The costs >are > > > > > > nothing compared to what can be gained. > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't like the space program, then stop using its benefits. >Stop > > > > >using > > > > > > the Internet and your computer. If you go for medical treatment, a >lot > > >of > > > > > > modern medicine has benefited from the space program. It also >means > > >you > > > > > > need to stop watching Television or listening to radio - both > > >technologies > > > > > > have immensely improved because of NASA and the space program. You >eat > > > > > > frozen or preserved foods? Will have to stop that. In the 1970's >the > > > > >Office > > > > > > of Technology Assessment, part of the Congressional Budget Office, > > > > > > estimated that technologically the US leaped ahead 25 to 50 years > > >directly > > > > > > because of the space program. Isn't that a benefit? > > > > > > > > > > > > larry > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:16 AM 2/3/03 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > > >what? Thats crazy talk their budget has been squeezed so much and > > > > >sometimes > > > > > > >shit happens > > > > > > >They died doing something they believed, they know they could > > >possibliy > > > > >die. > > > > > > >Of course i find it alittle annoying they dont check the tiles in > > >space > > > > > > >everytime. I mean i would have assumed thats something they do a > > >little > > > > > > >space walk for to at least look. Maybe after this it might become > > > > >something > > > > > > >that IS done to be safe, dock the shuttle with the space station >and > > > > >check > > > > > > >out the tiles. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Some people think going into space is a waste but I think they >are > > >wrong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Angel Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > >Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:10 AM > > > > > > >Subject: RE: space shuttle columbia accident > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why would they die for no reason? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe they died to save other lives, by showing the program to >be > > >non > > > > > > > > feasible with too high a risk to the US economy and human >life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Gel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You know up until i read that the Columbia was the only >shuttle > > > > >without > > > > > > > > the ability to dock with the space station i figured it would >be > > > > >common > > > > > > > > sense to at least have the people go out and check out the >bottom > > >of > > > > >the > > > > > > > > ship. And ok maybe you can't readd the tiles but at least you >can > > >dock > > > > > > > > with the space station and wait for another shuttle to come up >and > > > > >give > > > > > > > > some equipment to fix it. Or at the least you save the lives >of > > >the > > > > > > > > astronauts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And i also read on msnbc somewhere a quote from the Nasa > > >Administrator > > > > > > > > that this will probably mean the end of the shuttle program >and > > >the > > > > > > > > International Space Station. I'm looking for the link but that > > >would > > > > > > > > defiantly suck those people dieing for no reason > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
