well I am playing around with this. I don't think I have any real strong beliefs either way just yet. However, here is an idle question, does any one on the list know whether the veil is in fact mandated by the Koran or is merely customary, akin to the old requirement that women in a Catholic church cover their heads? Another idle question, if the lower half of the face is so all-fired important to identification, why does the INS seem more interested in my ear?
While I still don't think the scale of harm is the same as for underage brides, I can see that the door does open here for some security concerns... Dana On Wed, 28 May 2003 16:33:17 -0400, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think so. It is not a religion issue, but a public safety and > identity issue. > > What you are saying is that the need for the photo on the license is not > very important. If even one person does not need the picture on the id, > then no one should. It is like saying the ID doesn't need the name or > address. Since the state would not issue a license to a person that on > religious grounds (or any other) refuse to give a name for the ID, it > should not give one to a person refusing to allow a recognizable photo > for the license. > > What if my religion insisted I aim my car at pedestrians? (It seems like > an extreme example, but I bet I could get a lot of converts here in > Boston if that was a tenet of the belief system). Should it then be > allowed? > > I don't think so. > > Jerry Johnson > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 03:46PM >>> > Only if it's part of your religious beliefs.... > > On Wed, 28 May 2003 15:31:43 -0400, Jerry Johnson > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> You can't make her show her face, but if she is unwilling to get a photo >> id, then you can't give her a driver's licence photo ID that cannot be >> used to prove visual identity. >> >> If she can get a photo ID that completely obscures her identity, then >> the idea of photo on the ID has just become an unnecessary part of the >> license. OR I should be able to wear a Nixon mask when having my license >> taken. >> >> Jerry Johnson >> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/28/03 03:04PM >>> >> Well, if there is a question as to whether or not showing her face is in >> violation of her religious beliefs, why wouldn't the book that is the >> basis >> of such beliefs be used as evidence? >> >> Remember it just Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment >> of >> religion or permitting the free exercise thereof. If forcing her to show >> her >> face prevents the free exercise of her religion then you can't make her >> show >> her face. >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jon hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 28, >>> 2003 2:55 PM >>> To: CF-Community >>> Subject: Re: Makes you shake your head. >>> >>> What I find worrying is that a copy of the Quran has been entered into >>> evidence. I would think that it would be plainly obvious by now to >>> everyone that basing a court decision in any manner on a religious >>> belief is not allowed anywhere in the US. >>> >>> I'm not sure about the process, but I think the prosecution would be >>> within it's rights to ask that it be made inadmissible as evidence. >>> Perhaps they are angling for a guaranteed way to appeal though. >>> >>> -- >>> jon >>> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Wednesday, May 28, 2003, 2:35:57 PM, you wrote: >>> RC> Why would this even be going to trial? Do you have the >>> consitutional >>> RC> right to get a drivers license? Why doesn't she simply take a bus >>> then? >>> >>> RC> -rc >>> >>> >> -----Original Message----- >>> >> From: Marlon Moyer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Wednesday, >>> May 28, 2003 12:31 PM >>> >> To: CF-Community >>> >> Subject: Makes you shake your head. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> I can't believe this woman was allowed to take a driver's >>> >> license photo with a veil in the first place. Additionally, >>> >> if she wants to take the photo veiled, does that mean she'll >>> >> be driving veiled too. Isn't that just a tad bit dangerous.... >>> >> >>> >> >>> RC> http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/28/license.veil.ap/index.html >>> >>> >>> RC> >>> >> >> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
