:) And i'm not worried just was a friendly conversation that for some reason you've decided to turn into a battle lol relax.
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:34 PM Subject: Re: A good american > um, please don't call me "dear". > > I guess I just imagined that long discussion where you insisted I would be > best off to enlist.... Look, I don't know about your dignity, but this > squabble is definitely beneath mine. Have a nice life. > > Dana > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 16:11:17 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Dear i don't think you're wrong relax. Never said you were wrong i know > > how > > it is now > > i know you gotta do all the stuff its ok. Please don't assume anything > > with > > me :) I never > > said you were wrong and i'm sorry if i implied you were. *Muffins* > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:54 PM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> But you're convinced I'm wrong though. And I am a condescending jerk for > >> questioning that I am wrong. OK... I know how much weight to give your > >> opinions in future. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:38:54 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I dropped it :> I said i was done discussing it. I heard it on the > > radio > >> > and its just friendly banter. > >> > > >> > Relax you seem to be under alot of stress lately deep breaths dear > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was > > good > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > > off!" > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:20 PM > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> > > >> > > >> >> ::pounds head on desk::: and the astounding thing here is that you > > think > >> >> I > >> >> don't get it. LOL. How are you doing with links to that citizenship > >> > program > >> >> I was so wrong about? > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> > >> >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:14:02 -0400, William Wheatley > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > woo hoo finally someone who gets it LOL > >> >> > > >> >> > I thought i was loosing my mind and would have to move to canada > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I > >> was > >> > good > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people > >> > off!" > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick McClure" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> > nacho.com> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:17 PM > >> >> > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> I think the rule here is: Don't ever talk out loud about breaking > > the > >> >> >> law. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you do chain your dog up in a way where it seems the dog is > >> being > >> >> > abused, > >> >> >> then the humane society should be called. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you talk about cheating on your taxes, then don't be surprised > >> if > >> > the > >> >> > tax > >> >> >> man comes knocking on your door. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I think the answer to the question is, don't break the rules. It > >> > doesn't > >> >> >> matter what everyone else does, listen to your mother. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:05 PM > >> >> >> > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > OK... actually that does contain a *glimmer* of sense. You can > > lose > >> >> >> your > >> >> >> > mind that way though, trying to imagine everything that someone > >> >> >> *might* > >> >> >> > dime you for. Don't yeall at your kids -- someone might call > >> cps. > >> >> >> Don't > >> >> >> > chain your dog outside -- someone might call the humane society. > >> > Don't > >> >> >> > talk > >> >> >> > about your taxes -- someone might turn you in for not paying > >> your > >> > full > >> >> >> > complement of Social Security. Don't let your parking meter run > >> >> >> out.... > >> >> > I > >> >> >> > mean, how was he supposed to imagine that someone would accuse > >> him > >> >> of > >> >> >> > spying? And on a social level not a group level it's not really > >> >> fair > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> > have one guy over here accused of spying for the Chinese > >> >> (presumably > >> >> >> > because he is Chinese) and in solitary confinement for months on > >> >> end, > >> >> >> > while > >> >> >> > other people walk around unhampered... is it? > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Dana > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 12:52:24 -0400, William Wheatley > >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > wrote: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Ok and if he hadn't broken rules that were not really ever > >> >> enforced > >> >> >> he > >> >> >> > > wouldn't be in trouble. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > Its a prime example of why not to break rules even if everyone > >> >> else > >> >> >> > does. > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, > >> I > >> > was > >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts > >> >> people > >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:58 AM > >> >> >> > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> Bill. Please tell me what you think peer pressure has to do > > with > >> >> > this? > >> >> >> > >> The > >> >> >> > >> guy was accused of espionage and the government later says > >> >> whoops > >> >> >> we > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> > >> sorry and released him. > >> >> >> > >> The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized to him. Are > > we > >> >> >> even > >> >> >> > >> talking about the same case?? > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 07:34:41 -0400, William Wheatley > >> >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > :) If he hadn't broken the rules do you think he would have > >> >> been > >> >> >> in > >> >> >> > >> > trouble?? > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > Sucks to be him but i bet hes been saying if i hadn't given > >> >> into > >> >> > peer > >> >> >> > >> > pressure to break the rules i wouldn't have been screwed. > >> LOL > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > > Sure, > >> >> I > >> >> > was > >> >> >> > > good > >> >> >> > >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > >> puts > >> >> >> people > >> >> >> > > off!" > >> >> >> > >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 3:06 PM > >> >> >> > >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> ::sigh:: The judge and the prosecuting attorney apologized > > to > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > >> guy. > >> >> >> > >> >> But > >> >> >> > >> >> ok, think what you like. Have a croissant. > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 08:48:45 -0400, William Wheatley > >> >> >> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > No in other words if you know people are going to be > >> >> gunning > >> >> >> for > >> >> >> > >> you > >> >> >> > >> >> > don't > >> >> >> > >> >> > give them a reason to make them get you. Don't break the > >> > rules > >> >> > if > >> >> >> > >> he > >> >> >> > >> >> > hadn't > >> >> >> > >> >> > he'd be fine nobody really to blame for the situation > >> > starting > >> >> > but > >> >> >> > >> >> > himself. > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. > >> > Sure, > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > >> was > >> >> >> > >> > good > >> >> >> > >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it > >> >> puts > >> >> >> > people > >> >> >> > >> > off!" > >> >> >> > >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 12:23 AM > >> >> >> > >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I just saw this. I think you aren't thinking before you > >> >> >> write. > >> >> > A > >> >> >> > >> > Chinese > >> >> >> > >> >> >> scientist was singled out, possibly because he is > > Chinese. > >> >> >> > > Subsequent > >> >> >> > >> >> >> investigation revealed that the problem was facility > >> wide > >> > and > >> >> > the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> University of California was fired as administrator. No > >> > other > >> >> >> > >> >> scientist > >> >> >> > >> >> >> were charged with espionage let alone spent a year in > >> >> jail. > >> > I > >> >> >> > have > >> >> >> > > no > >> >> >> > >> >> >> idea > >> >> >> > >> >> >> whether he is suing or not; I just think he got a raw > >> >> deal. > >> >> > There > >> >> >> > >> is > >> >> >> > >> >> > little > >> >> >> > >> >> >> point in nitpicking over this one case since neither > >> one > >> >> of > >> >> >> us > >> >> > is > >> >> >> > >> >> >> looking > >> >> >> > >> >> >> up the details; my point is, there is at least a > >> distinct > >> >> >> > > possibility > >> >> >> > >> >> >> that > >> >> >> > >> >> >> as he always maintained, he had no contact with the > >> >> Chinese > >> >> >> > >> >> government, > >> >> >> > >> >> > and > >> >> >> > >> >> >> was merely a little sloppy like every other one of the > >> >> >> several > >> >> >> > >> >> thousand > >> >> >> > >> >> >> employees of the facility, not one of whom was also > >> >> jailed. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> In other words, good thing we didn't shoot him. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Jun 2003 11:14:31 -0400, William Wheatley > >> >> >> > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Just because everyone does it is no excuse. When I > >> get > >> >> >> caught > >> >> >> > >> > speeding > >> >> >> > >> >> > do > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > say..everyone does it.. lol no. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Well as I said I've seen reports on both sides of it. > > He > >> >> >> knew > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> rules > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > he broke the, just because everyone does it doesn't > > mean > >> >> >> you > >> >> >> > >> >> should. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> And > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > he > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > deserves the scrutiny he got for it. IF he wants to > >> sue > >> >> go > >> >> > for > >> >> >> > >> it > >> >> >> > >> >> if > >> >> >> > >> >> >> not > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > well that's on him. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > > skills. > >> >> > Sure, > >> >> >> > I > >> >> >> > >> >> was > >> >> >> > >> >> > good > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - > >> it > >> >> >> puts > >> >> >> > > people > >> >> >> > >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:42 PM > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> AFAIK he did nothing worse than take a laptop > >> >> containing > >> >> >> > >> >> classified > >> >> >> > >> >> > data > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> out of its prescribed area. It later developed that > >> >> this > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > >> very > >> >> >> > >> >> >> often > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> done at Los Alamos, and many laptops are just plain > >> >> lost. > >> >> >> UC > >> >> >> > >> just > >> >> >> > >> >> >> lost > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> its > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract to run the place due to slovenly security. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I don't know if he is suing. I am sure it would not > >> > endear > >> >> > him > >> >> >> > >> to > >> >> >> > >> > the > >> >> >> > >> >> > US > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> government if he did. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Oh well better safe and in jail until its proven > >> if > >> >> >> there > >> >> >> > was > >> >> >> > >> >> > evidence > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > think you were a criminal in the first place. Is > >> he > >> >> > sueing?? > >> >> >> > >> If > >> >> >> > >> >> >> they > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > were so > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong why doesn't he have his clearance back?? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > I mean if it was me i would be pissed i was in > >> jail > >> >> but > >> >> >> i > >> >> >> > >> would > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > understand > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > they can't let me roam free with national security > >> >> > interests > >> >> >> > >> >> like > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> that. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He can sue to get his stuff back if it was that > >> >> unjust. > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > >> read > >> >> >> > >> >> on > >> >> >> > >> >> > both > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > sides > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > of the story. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > He was still lookign rather unsavory maybe he > >> >> realizes > >> >> >> he > >> >> >> > got > >> >> >> > >> >> off > >> >> >> > >> >> > easy > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > not to push his luck > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no > >> > skills. > >> >> >> > >> Sure, > >> >> >> > > I > >> >> >> > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume > >> - > >> >> it > >> >> > puts > >> >> >> > >> > people > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana > >> Tierney" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > To: "CF-Community" <cf- > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 5:00 PM > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > suuuure the system worked; the guy spent a year > >> in > >> >> >> jail, > >> >> >> > >> and > >> >> >> > > I > >> >> >> > >> >> > think > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > he > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > lost his security clearance. Hard to get work as > >> a > >> >> > nuclear > >> >> >> > >> >> > physicist > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > without one. All for something which subsequent > >> >> >> > >> investigation > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> revealed > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > to > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > be SOP at Los Alamos. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > William Wheatley writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sure thats why you dont summarly shoot them > >> and > >> >> let > >> >> > them > >> >> >> > >> >> goto > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > first. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Now if its wartime and you are a spy well > >> you're > >> >> >> dead > >> >> >> > >> meat > >> >> >> > >> >> no > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> trial > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > needed > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > sometimes by law but he was found innocent. > >> >> System > >> >> >> > >> worked.. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, > >> no > >> >> > skills. > >> >> >> > >> >> Sure, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > good > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a > >> > resume - > >> >> > it > >> >> >> > > puts > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> people > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > off!" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dana > >> >> > Tierney" > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > To: "CF-Community" <cf- > >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 12:33 PM > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > I am not really in favor of anyone being > >> shot. > >> >> A > >> >> >> spy > >> >> >> > in > >> >> >> > >> >> >> wartime > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > *might* be > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > an exception. However, the scientist I > >> >> mentioned > >> >> >> was > >> >> >> > >> >> accused > >> >> >> > >> >> >> of > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > spying > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > China, and later on they dropped all charges > >> >> >> except > >> >> >> > >> one, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> something > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > failing to follow proper procedures with > >> >> >> classified > >> >> >> > >> data. > >> >> >> > >> > And > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> this > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > was > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > probably because the man had already been on > >> >> jail > >> >> >> > >> almost > >> >> >> > > a > >> >> >> > >> >> > year; > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > proper > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > procedures were so rarely followed at Los > >> >> Alamos > >> >> > that > >> >> >> > >> the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> contract > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > for > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > running the place was recently revoked. > >> Point > >> >> is, > >> >> >> > >> >> sometimes > >> >> >> > >> >> > they > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > are > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > wrong > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > about "spies" too. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > :) > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > I'm a pacifist, I won't ask for anyone to > >> be > >> >> >> shot. > >> >> >> > >> I'll > >> >> >> > >> >> >> even > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > give > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > them > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > the rights they deny other prisoners. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > >> >> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:17 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I don't want to talk to the men in black > >> >> this > >> >> >> > week. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Therefore > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I have to disagree with you. If we were > >> >> >> talking > >> >> >> > >> about > >> >> >> > >> >> >> other > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > penalties.... I might not. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Wayne Putterill writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > True, in my opinion Bush and Blair may > >> >> have > >> >> > both > >> >> >> > >> >> >> betrayed > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > their > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > respective countries by deceiving the > >> >> >> > population. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > From: Dana Tierney > >> >> >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: 11 June 2003 16:03 > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > I suspect that "those who would > >> betray > >> >> >> this > >> >> >> > >> >> country" > >> >> >> > >> >> > has > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> a > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > lot of room in it for argument. I am > >> >> >> pretty > >> >> >> > >> sure > >> >> >> > >> > that > >> >> >> > >> >> > if > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreed with you on the statement, > >> you > >> >> and > >> >> >> I > >> >> >> > >> would > >> >> >> > >> > not > >> >> >> > >> >> > be > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > agreeing on who should be shot. So > > that > >> >> > throws > >> >> >> > >> up > >> >> >> > >> >> a > >> >> >> > >> >> > huge > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > caution flag in my opinion. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > Dana > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > John Stanley writes: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Not at all. Those who would betray > >> >> this > >> >> >> > >> country > >> >> >> > >> >> > should > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > be > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > shot. Those > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > who serve valiantly this country > >> > deserve > >> >> > our > >> >> >> > >> >> >> respect > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> and > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > admiration. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From: Larry C. Lyons > >> >> >> > >> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 > >> 9:55 > >> >> AM > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > To: CF-Community > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: A good american > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > Let me put it this way, the sort > >> of > >> >> >> belief > >> >> >> > >> that > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> deifies > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans etc > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > is as > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > dangerous as those who would > >> gladly > >> >> >> betray > >> >> >> > >> this > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> country. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > At 09:35 AM 6/11/2003 -0400, John > >> >> >> Stanley > >> >> >> > > wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >While I hardly think > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >that my survival depends on the > >> >> >> > sacrifices > >> >> >> > > of > >> >> >> > >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > military, > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >Let me clarify, do you mean that > > you > >> > do > >> >> > not > >> >> >> > >> >> >> respect > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> the > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > veterans who > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >have served and sometimes died > >> for > >> >> the > >> >> >> > >> Untied > >> >> >> > >> >> > States? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Your ad could be here. 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