I don't think you're following your own rule then. Do you agree that if he hadn't broken the law he probably wouldn't have been noticed or scrutinized or even screwed over?
"When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:57 PM Subject: Re: A good american > Bill. Let me worry about my blood pressure ok? I just need to remember that > there is no arguing with people who dont listen. > > Dana > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 15:34:57 -0400, William Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Nope you're reading too much into it. Its a simple point, don't break the > > law. If you don't you don't open yourself up to as much shit as you could > > get otherwise. > > > > Live life knowing that everyone is out to get you and you are the only > > person who really cares about you. > > > > Relax no need to let this get to you its all just friendly banter. Its > > very > > easy to say follow the law or you have nobody to blame but yourself. It > > sure > > sucks for the guy and if he was really wrongly accused then he should > > sue. > > But I really was not being condescending and there's no facts to check, > > if > > he followed the law he would probably have not gotten on anyone's radar > > and > > wouldn't have had to put up with the shit no matter what it was. > > > > And on a hypothetical basis just because the DA apologized to him doesn't > > mean anything I'm sure people are snookered sometimes by a good liar or > > whatever. > > > > I was merely saying a simple point...follow the law. > > > > Just friendly banter, relax take some deep breaths. No need to be smug > > and > > rude with me because deep down the simplicity of my point is obvious to > > all > > but people who are determined to avoid the point if he followed the law > > regardless of what everyone else did he'd probably still be a whatever he > > was at Los Alamos. > > > > > > "When I came back from Korea, I had no money, no skills. Sure, I was good > > with a bayonet, but you can't put that on a resume - it puts people off!" > > Frank Barone, "Everybody Loves Raymond" > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Tierney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "CF-Community" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:10 PM > > Subject: Re: A good american > > > > > >> OK, I was thinking about this thread while I was eating my thai chile. > >> It > >> originally started as a rather flippant remark in response to John' > >> suggestion that we shoot spies. I gave Wen Ho Lee as an example of an > >> accused spy who was apparently innocent. Since then Bill has been > >> arguing > >> erm, something, and I am letting this thread get to my blood pressure. I > >> really hate when I hear condescension coming from someone who can't be > >> bothered to check facts before making smug pronouncements. > >> > >> Your arguments are slightly different. You are right that ignorance of > >> the > >> law is not an excuse. That is probably not what happened in the Wen Ho > >> Lee > >> case, but ok. That case was intended to be an example of > >> disproportionate > >> penalties and one where the court system did not work. > >> > >> But there is a deeper question here, which is how can you possibly > >> prevent > >> anyone from ever thinking you have done something wrong, which seems to > >> be > >> what you are saying. Some people just see wrongdoing everywhere. I have > >> been reported to Child Protective Services for owning a computer > >> (Florida) > >> and for having a job (New Mexico). The scary thing is that both times > >> the > >> agencies investigated, though the cases were quickly closed. The answer > >> to > >> this is *not* to not work because some people think you should stay home > >> with your children and *not* to not own a computer because some people > >> think the internet is evil. You cannot possibly proactively imagine all > >> of > >> the idiotic things people can dream up in the way of accusations. > >> > >> So if you are saying that he should have considered the possiblity that > >> someone would accuse him of being a spy, I respectfully disagree. You > >> cannot live your life on the basis of trying to never be accused of > >> something. > >> > >> Dana > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:52:56 -0400, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> nacho.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > That is why we have a court system. > >> > > >> > If animal control gets there and says there is nothing wrong, then the > >> > neighbor will just have to deal with it. > >> > > >> > Ignorance of the law/rule is no excuse; you have a responsibility > >> prior > >> > to > >> > doing something to verify that what you plan to do follows the rules. > >> > > >> > The courts have ruled on this time and time again, just because you > >> > didn't > >> > know it was illegal doesn't mean your are not responsible for it. > >> > > >> > If you are underpaying on your social security, the government has a > >> way > >> > to > >> > get things back where they are supposed to be. If your company didn't > >> > withhold the correct amount, they will work out a way for you to pay > >> it > >> > to > >> > them. If the company withheld the correct amount, but didn't send it > >> in, > >> > then you show proof of this, and they will go after the company. > >> > > >> > They are not going to arrest you because your math was wrong, they > >> will > >> > audit you, and all parties can work things out. Remember, if you are > >> > underpaying on you social security, you are hurting every American, if > >> > you > >> > cheat on your taxes, you are hurting every American. > >> > > >> > What about those really archaic laws? Those murder laws are pretty > >> old; > >> > maybe I can just ignore them. If there is a law on the books you need > >> to > >> > follow the law or accept the consequences, you can try to get the law > >> > changed, or abolished, but until then, it is still a law. > >> > > >> > Obedience of the law is not asked, it is expected. > >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:30 PM > >> >> To: CF-Community > >> >> Subject: Re: A good american > >> >> > >> >> hmm. And what if the dog is not being abused but your neighbor feels > >> no > >> >> dog > >> >> should ever be left outside? And what about the people on this list > >> who > >> >> have apparently been underpaying their Social Security taxes without > >> >> realizing it? You have to imagine that something is a rule to not > >> break > >> >> it, > >> >> or that someone might think you are doing somethng wrong and report > >> it. > >> >> What about all those really archaic laws? I think you guys are > >> >> stretching. > >> >> > >> >> Dana > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
