I'm sorry, I have lurked on this topic till not, but you hit a pet peeve of mine. "If people would stop suing McDonalds because they spill their coffee"
You had better go look up the facts of that case before you condone it. She did not spill her coffee, the cup collapsed (basically melted) from the excessive heat of 180 degrees (that's almost boiling folks). She received second and third degree burns to her upper legs and genitals. This required a hospital stay and surgery. I'm sorry, but I think that was a very valid case. -------------- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource Sacramento, CA -----Original Message----- From: Nick McClure [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:03 PM To: CF-Community Subject: RE: A good american There is a difference between a peace time spy, and a war time traitor. A peace time spy operating in the US is governed by the federal court system. This man was accused of being a spy, a more thorough investigation proved this to be incorrect. So what do you do? If there is cause you have to arrest him. What if he was a spy, that potential served as a possible risk to the nation. We can't let him continue doing his job, if we think he is spying, we can't let him run free, so we arrest him, on legitimate charges, and hold an investigation, which showed he was just doing what everybody else was doing. That is the peace time legal system of this country. In war time, a traitor or spy on the battle field is much easier to spot, he's the one wearing the same uniform you are, and is shooting at you. That person is subject to immediate execution, by whatever means are required. The legal system in this country while it assumes innocence, the courts still have a responsibility to ensure the person accused does not attempt flight, or potentially continuing to break the law while out on bond. The person was held without bail, pending the investigation and trial. There are plenty of people who are held without bail pending trial, sometimes this takes up to a year or longer. That is our legal system. If people would stop suing McDonalds because they spilled their coffee, maybe we wouldn't need so many civil court justices, and they could be prosecuting criminals. The wheels of justice turn slowly, but it seems that more often than not, when they stop turning, the innocent go free, and the guilty go to jail. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 3:11 PM > To: CF-Community > Subject: Re: A good american > > OK, I was thinking about this thread while I was eating my thai chile. It > originally started as a rather flippant remark in response to John' > suggestion that we shoot spies. I gave Wen Ho Lee as an example of an > accused spy who was apparently innocent. Since then Bill has been arguing > erm, something, and I am letting this thread get to my blood pressure. I > really hate when I hear condescension coming from someone who can't be > bothered to check facts before making smug pronouncements. > > Your arguments are slightly different. You are right that ignorance of the > law is not an excuse. That is probably not what happened in the Wen Ho Lee > case, but ok. That case was intended to be an example of disproportionate > penalties and one where the court system did not work. > > But there is a deeper question here, which is how can you possibly prevent > anyone from ever thinking you have done something wrong, which seems to be > what you are saying. Some people just see wrongdoing everywhere. I have > been reported to Child Protective Services for owning a computer (Florida) > and for having a job (New Mexico). The scary thing is that both times the > agencies investigated, though the cases were quickly closed. The answer to > this is *not* to not work because some people think you should stay home > with your children and *not* to not own a computer because some people > think the internet is evil. You cannot possibly proactively imagine all of > the idiotic things people can dream up in the way of accusations. > > So if you are saying that he should have considered the possiblity that > someone would accuse him of being a spy, I respectfully disagree. You > cannot live your life on the basis of trying to never be accused of > something. > > Dana > > > > On Mon, 16 Jun 2003 13:52:56 -0400, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > That is why we have a court system. > > > > If animal control gets there and says there is nothing wrong, then the > > neighbor will just have to deal with it. > > > > Ignorance of the law/rule is no excuse; you have a responsibility prior > > to > > doing something to verify that what you plan to do follows the rules. > > > > The courts have ruled on this time and time again, just because you > > didn't > > know it was illegal doesn't mean your are not responsible for it. > > > > If you are underpaying on your social security, the government has a way > > to > > get things back where they are supposed to be. If your company didn't > > withhold the correct amount, they will work out a way for you to pay it > > to > > them. If the company withheld the correct amount, but didn't send it in, > > then you show proof of this, and they will go after the company. > > > > They are not going to arrest you because your math was wrong, they will > > audit you, and all parties can work things out. Remember, if you are > > underpaying on you social security, you are hurting every American, if > > you > > cheat on your taxes, you are hurting every American. > > > > What about those really archaic laws? Those murder laws are pretty old; > > maybe I can just ignore them. If there is a law on the books you need to > > follow the law or accept the consequences, you can try to get the law > > changed, or abolished, but until then, it is still a law. > > > > Obedience of the law is not asked, it is expected. > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 1:30 PM > >> To: CF-Community > >> Subject: Re: A good american > >> > >> hmm. And what if the dog is not being abused but your neighbor feels no > >> dog > >> should ever be left outside? And what about the people on this list who > >> have apparently been underpaying their Social Security taxes without > >> realizing it? You have to imagine that something is a rule to not break > >> it, > >> or that someone might think you are doing somethng wrong and report it. > >> What about all those really archaic laws? I think you guys are > >> stretching. > >> > >> Dana > > > > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=5 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribe&forumid=5 This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. http://www.cfhosting.com Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.5
